This is a rebuild

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Strategic signings with the potential to flip for more assets would be welcomed. Taking on bad contracts for more assets would be smart. Hopefully that is the plan.

Conroy already said he let other teams know they would help with cap

[flambers]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

They traded their starting goalie a week ago and currently have 2 NHL D under contract.

They’re rebuilding. That’s all that matters.

Two top 4 dman under contract?

(Clearly they have more than 2)

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by flambers

Two top 4 dman under contract?

(Clearly they have more than 2)

Who? It’s Andersson and Weegar and then a whole bunch of bottom pairing guys

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Some people will just not believe a rebuild is happening unless Conroy comes out and says the Flames will suck and they are rebuilding. No point in arguing with them lol

I think, it really depends on how, a person defines rebuild...

It won't be like the Sharks or Hawks etc. In my view

Flames have really good players, they are likely not going to be moved.

Yes, I think they are placing a huge focus on the draft, which I personally believe is the correct decision.

However, they won't rip it apart.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Who? It’s Andersson and Weegar and then a whole bunch of bottom pairing guys

Post stated 2 NHL defense, which is clearly false.

Agreed, they have 2 top four defense,

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by flambers

I think, it really depends on how, a person defines rebuild...

It won't be like the Sharks or Hawks etc. In my view

Flames have really good players, they are likely not going to be moved.

Yes, I think they are placing a huge focus on the draft, which I personally believe is the correct decision.

However, they won't rip it apart.

People can quibble over semantics. But there’s a distinction between teams that deliberately tear down a roster with the goal of finishing bottom-five in the league, and teams that move out UFAs and older players for picks to rejuvenate the roster but don’t want to dive to the depths of the standings.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Not really because their actions leading up to this point offer insight into how they may operate moving forward.

Saying the wrong thing and doing the right thing is a welcome change of pace.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by flambers

Post stated 2 NHL defense, which is clearly false.

Agreed, they have 2 top four defense,

Which is the same thing as having two NHL D.

If they sent every one of their signed “NHL” D who aren’t Rasmus or Weegar to the minors, they would combine to count $250k towards the cap.

That’s not an NHL blue line.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Some people will just not believe a rebuild is happening unless Conroy comes out and says the Flames will suck and they are rebuilding. No point in arguing with them lol

Some people will also just complain about everything.
What a miserable existence.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Saying the wrong thing and doing the right thing is a welcome change of pace.

Which has already been pointed out that they tried to do the wrong thing many times last season. Intention also matters.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Some people will also just complain about everything.
What a miserable existence.

No need to be over dramatic. Expressing hesitation based on the teams direct actions isn't being negative. You can love the trades and still recognize that the trades were largely forced on them. I have more optimism for the organization today than in the last couple years but I'm also taking a wait and see approach moving forward. I don't think you have to have blind faith to enjoy the sport.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by flambers

I think, it really depends on how, a person defines rebuild...

It won't be like the Sharks or Hawks etc. In my view

Flames have really good players, they are likely not going to be moved.

Yes, I think they are placing a huge focus on the draft, which I personally believe is the correct decision.

However, they won't rip it apart.

Flames have some decent players, but their future core that will be part of a contending team has zero current members. Wolf might me, but he hasn’t proven anything yet.

Like it or not, trading some of those decent players will spend up the rebuild by getting additional draft capital and better draft position.

This draft was the most fun I’ve had watching the draft since, well, maybe forever.

I think Conroy did a very good job, although drafts have to be judged years later.

More of that please.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Some people will also just complain about everything.
What a miserable existence.

Saying that the Flames actions and history do not suggest an appetite for a traditional rebuild isn't complaining.

If you have to type something like "what a miserable existence" due to a difference of opinion on a discussion board, then perhaps it isn't worth hitting the submit button?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Which has already been pointed out that they tried to do the wrong thing many times last season. Intention also matters.

Results matter.

They have three players signed past three years - Huberdeau, Weegar and Kadri.

Those three players account for $23M of a soon to be $100M salary cap, and two of them are not albatross contracts.

They didn’t sign anyone stupid last summer - odds are, they won’t sign anyone stupid this summer either, now that they’re demonstrably worse and being good actually costs them their own 1st.

For them to have “attempted” to keep a bunch of guys they knew were going to be gone anyway is as much about them maximizing their own returns as anything.

It also indicates that Conroy knows how to work around Murray’s quirks to do what’s best for the team.

Whatever they’re saying publicly is lying and manipulation, and that’s how it should be.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Conroy already said he let other teams know they would help with cap

It was great to hear him say without hesitation that he would be kind enough to take on a bad contract for a price, like Monahan he said in Montreal.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Flames have some decent players, but their future core that will be part of a contending team has zero current members. Wolf might me, but he hasn’t proven anything yet.

Like it or not, trading some of those decent players will spend up the rebuild by getting additional draft capital and better draft position.

This draft was the most fun I’ve had watching the draft since, well, maybe forever.

I think Conroy did a very good job, although drafts have to be judged years later.

More of that please.

Parekh is a core player.

Even if you don’t think so right now, you will by the end of development camp.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Flames have some decent players, but their future core that will be part of a contending team has zero current members. Wolf might me, but he hasn’t proven anything yet.

Like it or not, trading some of those decent players will spend up the rebuild by getting additional draft capital and better draft position.

This draft was the most fun I’ve had watching the draft since, well, maybe forever.

I think Conroy did a very good job, although drafts have to be judged years later.

More of that please.

Having so many picks was definitely way more exciting for me than the last two years of actual play, which felt meaningless. At least there is some optimism now that they're building towards something. Which is why I never understand when people try to spread fear that a rebuild will cause fans to disappear. If people are this excited about Parekh, imagine drafting a couple top 3 overalls and finally starting to see the formation of an actual contender. To me, that dwarfs watching a bubble team. This is a great start to year 1 of a rebuild and I just hope they don't mess it up because Murray has some bright ideas.

[keenan87]

If you don't think Parekh can be a future core piece.. not sure what you are expecting.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Hackey

No need to be over dramatic. Expressing hesitation based on the teams direct actions isn't being negative. You can love the trades and still recognize that the trades were largely forced on them. I have more optimism for the organization today than in the last couple years but I'm also taking a wait and see approach moving forward. I don't think you have to have blind faith to enjoy the sport.

Except the last two trades, those were choices to trade those two players and a choice to only get futures for them.

[Pockets18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Some people will also just complain about everything.
What a miserable existence.

Somebody having a different opinion means they're a miserable person? okay then.