Thoughts: A second stint for Gaudreau in Calgary?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Did his uncle make more recent comments?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Jackets are taking on $21M more and 2 extra years for a player who has been worse over a longer sample size. Maybe a late 1st is too rich but this team paid a 1st to dump 1 year and $6.375M of Monahan. Maybe if they had the same term left the Flames could retain the difference and it makes sense but with 2 more years of term for guys who are the same age I think a significant sweetener would need to be added

And Huberdeau is a higher AAV by $750K. I agree it would take a sweetener and IMO Flames should absolutely not be in the business of giving up assets to get our from under contracts.

If you are a contender in a few years you can consider it then.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

And Huberdeau is a higher AAV by $750K. I agree it would take a sweetener and IMO Flames should absolutely not be in the business of giving up assets to get our from under contracts.

If you are a contender in a few years you can consider it then.

Sweetener = OK

First round pick as sweetener = nahhhh.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

His uncle on twitter implied that he is more than willing to come back to Calgary if possible.
Even if the Flames are "retooling", Columbus still isn't much better. The Flames have the 7th worst point percentage. Columbus has the 4th worse point percentage. If anything, the Flames are mediocre, and the Blue Jackets are bad.

No, they’re both bad. 4th and 7th worst points % in a 32 team league is all the way bad.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sweetener = OK

First round pick as sweetener = nahhhh.

Why should this team be giving up draft picks right now?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Why should this team be giving up draft picks right now?

The suggestion was trading a late 1st acquired from on of our pending free agents to get out of the worst contract in the league and bring back a once beloved player.

Post lockout flames picks in the 20’s includes Matt Pelech, Leland Irving, Greg Neimsz, Tim Erixon, Emile Poirier, Morgan Klimchuk, Jacob Pelletier, Connor Zary.

There are a couple of good players there and a lot of busts. To get out of Huberdeau’s deal it might be worth it for some but it appears to be a no from the people that have chimed in.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The suggestion was trading a late 1st acquired from on of our pending free agents to get out of the worst contract in the league and bring back a once beloved player.

Post lockout flames picks in the 20’s includes Matt Pelech, Leland Irving, Greg Neimsz, Tim Erixon, Emile Poirier, Morgan Klimchuk, Jacob Pelletier, Connor Zary.

There are a couple of good players there and a lot of busts. To get out of Huberdeau’s deal it might be worth it for some but it appears to be a no from the people that have chimed in.

To me, I see no reason to give up any kind of draft capital right now.

I would love to see Gaudreau over Huberdeau, full stop. But time for this organization to keep their eyes on the prize.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

To me, I see no reason to give up any kind of draft capital right now.

I would love to see Gaudreau over Huberdeau, full stop. But time for this organization to keep their eyes on the prize.

Fair but in my mind one of the biggest wins this org could get would be getting out of the Huberdeau deal. Maybe there will be a compliance buyout that comes along but the fact it has 7 years left it is just such an anchor.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Fair but in my mind one of the biggest wins this org could get would be getting out of the Huberdeau deal. Maybe there will be a compliance buyout that comes along but the fact it has 7 years left it is just such an anchor.

The big contract isn't an impediment at all right now because they aren't looking to sign anyone. In 3-4 years, when it's time to sign RFA contracts, maybe (depending on the cap). Deal him with retention then.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The big contract isn't an impediment at all right now because they aren't looking to sign anyone. In 3-4 years, when it's time to sign RFA contracts, maybe (depending on the cap). Deal him with retention then.

If this trend continues he will be absolutely unmovable. At that point it might cost multiple 1sts and 50% retention.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If this trend continues he will be absolutely unmovable. At that point it might cost multiple 1sts and 50% retention.

At that point you aren't worried about drafts as much. And I doubt the trend continues like you fear. Or they don't move him at all and make room other ways. Like Dallas with Seguin.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

At that point you aren't worried about drafts as much. And I doubt the trend continues like you fear. Or they don't move him at all and make room other ways. Like Dallas with Seguin.

Honestly how do you not see the trend continuing? He seems to be worse this year than last and that's with the team doing everything they can to get him going including a new coach and playing him with everyone on the roster. If this was ten or twenty games, sure but it's been about 100 games of decline.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Honestly how do you not see the trend continuing? He seems to be worse this year than last and that's with the team doing everything they can to get him going including a new coach and playing him with everyone on the roster. If this was ten or twenty games, sure but it's been about 100 games of decline.

Because I think he may be bottoming out right now. And throwing him around the roster has not actually happened. He played with the three top centres and it worked well with one. Who he has now been back with for a single game.

Sutter wasn’t fired because of Huberdeau, nor was Huska some sort of “this will please Huberdeau” move.

[Strange Brew]

The trend won't continue, that is literally impossible since not much room to go down from here. But really that's not the issue, it's whether or not he can get back to respectability.

I guess to Vinny's point there is an argument that it will only get harder to get out from under the Huberdeau contract, since at least now there is still some hope he could bounce back.

So Huberdeau and a late first save you from spending two firsts to move him when you are ready to get good again? No one in the Flames organization is going to be signing up for an 8 year rebuild so you probably have to deal with him at some point.

Still if it's me I'd only move him now if the cost was exceptionally cheap.

[Circa89]

If this were to ever happen , who do you envision taking the the RW spot when Johnny and Lindholm reunite .

Fantasy for sure but fun to speculate

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Coronato.

[jg13]

Both Gaudreau and Laine benched down a goal late in the 3rd. Neither played on the 6 on 5 to tie it up either.

Ice time tonight Gaudreau 14:42, Laine 12:36

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The suggestion was trading a late 1st acquired from on of our pending free agents to get out of the worst contract in the league and bring back a once beloved player.

Post lockout flames picks in the 20’s includes Matt Pelech, Leland Irving, Greg Neimsz, Tim Erixon, Emile Poirier, Morgan Klimchuk, Jacob Pelletier, Connor Zary.

There are a couple of good players there and a lot of busts. To get out of Huberdeau’s deal it might be worth it for some but it appears to be a no from the people that have chimed in.

If the late first produces so little and the Hubredeau contract is so bad why does Columbus want to make the deal?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Spurs

If the late first produces so little and the Hubredeau contract is so bad why does Columbus want to make the deal?

Maybe they don’t? Johnny was benched again tonight

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by jg13

Both Gaudreau and Laine benched down a goal late in the 3rd. Neither played on the 6 on 5 to tie it up either.

Ice time tonight Gaudreau 14:42, Laine 12:36

Clearly they're both albatrosses. Let us help.

Huberdeau + Zadorov + dump for Gaudreau + Laine