Post Mortem : What happens now?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I expect Kadri to end up with whatever team pays him the most.

Same for Kane.

Maybe they can be teammates.

Kane and Kadri to the Flames lol

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Kane and Kadri to the Flames lol

That would make for some serious popcorn eating, thread reading material in the summer.

[FlamesAddiction]

I would take Kadri, not qualms at all. He can be nasty on the ice, but as far as I know, he isn't a distraction off the ice. I've been a fan since he first came into the NHL. The contract he is going to get scares me a little. I am not sure you can count on his production to stay above a PPG and you know he is going to get a long term. Removing the dollar amount and cap considerations, put him on the Flames any day.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I would take Kadri, not qualms at all. He can be nasty on the ice, but as far as I know, he isn't a distraction off the ice. I've been a fan since he first came into the NHL. The contract he is going to get scares me a little. I am not sure you can count on his production to stay above a PPG and you know he is going to get a long term. Removing the dollar amount and cap considerations, put him on the Flames any day.

I agree, Kadri's scoring this year came suddenly out of nowhere to a new level.

Presumably due to playing with many skilled players on Colorado, including the power play.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I would take Kadri, not qualms at all. He can be nasty on the ice, but as far as I know, he isn't a distraction off the ice. I've been a fan since he first came into the NHL. The contract he is going to get scares me a little. I am not sure you can count on his production to stay above a PPG and you know he is going to get a long term. Removing the dollar amount and cap considerations, put him on the Flames any day.

Yeah, Kadri is dangerous and sometimes takes bad/stupid penalties. But AFIK he's a good teammate and I've never heard of off ice issues. Easy 2C on Calgary, putting Backlund into a good role.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

We were talking forwards, specifically. But what I was asking for was tangible evidence prior to this year that the Avs “superior” top end talent was going to take them far in the POs.

Answer - there is none because they never did. Never out of the second round. Until they finally broke through this year.

As for Makar, yeah they “found” him. 4th overall in the draft. Should have gone first.

Mackinnon was a horse against the Flames in the playoffs. Many were calling him the best player in the league. Makar has pretty much been seen as a superstar since day 1. That's the point. As soon as you surround players like that with a strong supporting cast it's not surprising to see them go far. But you almost always need those elite players. If Edmonton was able to surround McDavid and Draisaitl with a half decent supporting cast they'd easily be a Cup favorite.

The Flames elite stars are not on that level in my opinion and with all the raises needed to even keep the team together, I find it tough to see where they're gonna be able to significantly improve the team. Not saying it can't be done but its gonna take some huge luck or Treliving making some very shrewd moves.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Mackinnon was a horse against the Flames in the playoffs. Many were calling him the best player in the league. Makar has pretty much been seen as a superstar since day 1. That's the point. As soon as you surround players like that with a strong supporting cast it's not surprising to see them go far. But you almost always need those elite players. If Edmonton was able to surround McDavid and Draisaitl with a half decent supporting cast they'd easily be a Cup favorite.

The Flames elite stars are not on that level in my opinion and with all the raises needed to even keep the team together, I find it tough to see where they're gonna be able to significantly improve the team. Not saying it can't be done but its gonna take some huge luck or Treliving making some very shrewd moves.

Once again, this is not the point I made.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Once again, this is not the point I made.

And yet they have now, so despite the tangible evidence prior you speak of, the Avs staying course was absolutely the right call. So maybe all the optimists supporting the Flames current core will be right one day and we will be wrong, but whatever the analytics or the advanced statistics say, the eye test comparing the Avs core (prior to this year) vs. the Flames core, in the playoffs, it really doesn't seem close. Our core lacks in the key traits that make a team successful this time a year (speed, high hockey IQ, the ability to elevate their game), in my opinion (not Johnny). Where as the Avs, in the past couple years, I don't think had these issues, a lot of their problems were self inflicted (Kadri suspension, injuries, blowing leads late). Maybe I'm wrong but I just dont think you can look and compare situations in a black and white manner, the Avs playoff failures looked a lot different than the Flames, but again thats just the way I saw it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CGY12

And yet they have now, so despite the tangible evidence prior you speak of, the Avs staying course was absolutely the right call. So maybe all the optimists supporting the Flames current core will be right one day and we will be wrong, but whatever the analytics or the advanced statistics say, the eye test comparing the Avs core (prior to this year) vs. the Flames core, in the playoffs, it really doesn't seem close. Our core lacks in the key traits that make a team successful this time a year (speed, high hockey IQ, the ability to elevate their game), in my opinion (not Johnny). Where as the Avs, in the past couple years, I don't think had these issues, a lot of their problems were self inflicted (Kadri suspension, injuries, blowing leads late). Maybe I'm wrong but I just dont think you can look and compare situations in a black and white manner, the Avs playoff failures looked a lot different than the Flames, but again thats just the way I saw it.

That’s kind of the point. And the rest of your post - the Flames problems this year were pretty darn similarly self inflicted: injuries to Tanev, Tkachuk (self inflicted) and Zadorov, blowing leads in games, goaltending not up to where we know it can be. And getting horrific calls.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Once again, this is not the point I made.

Ya because your stuck arguing some narrow point that you made up and ignoring what I'm saying.

Until they do it where is the proof? Seriously? What awful logic. Is anyone surprised Colorado is in the finals? Not odds makers, not analysts, not fans. Aparrently you thought they weren't good enough?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Ya because your stuck arguing some narrow point that you made up and ignoring what I'm saying.

Until they do it where is the proof? Seriously? What awful logic. Is anyone surprised Colorado is in the finals? Not odds makers, not analysts, not fans. Aparrently you thought they weren't good enough?

That’s the opposite of what I’m saying, please read the thread again.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That’s the opposite of what I’m saying, please read the thread again.

It doesn't matter what you say, that poster just wants to see the roster crash and burn because that makes him happy.

[Steve Macfarlane]

This a good spot to post some positional glances?

Goaltending is an easy one. Team is set this summer.

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/calgary...om-dan-vladar/

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Steve Macfarlane

This a good spot to post some positional glances?

Goaltending is an easy one. Team is set this summer.

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/calgary...om-dan-vladar/

Yup. Just play Vladar every time we play the oilers and we'll be fine

[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by chedder

Yup. Just play Vladar every time we play the oilers and we'll be fine

Or get Markstrom to practice stopping pucks high blocker side. The Oilers figured it out and the rest of the league is sure to follow their lead.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

Or get Markstrom to practice stopping pucks high blocker side. The Oilers figured it out and the rest of the league is sure to follow their lead.

It was his glove side.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It was his glove side.

Against the Oilers he is Swiss cheese

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That’s kind of the point. And the rest of your post - the Flames problems this year were pretty darn similarly self inflicted: injuries to Tanev, Tkachuk (self inflicted) and Zadorov, blowing leads in games, goaltending not up to where we know it can be. And getting horrific calls.

Tkachuks a playoff 0 every year? How is this self inflicted? He just doesn't have the game to succeed in this type of hockey, his skating is that bad. Blowing a lead early is very different from blowing leads late (Avs). You keep telling yourself this core is a lot similar to the Avs, and I will politely vehemently disagree.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Tkachuks a playoff 0 every year? How is this self inflicted?

Getting into unnecessary fights. The last one was just dumb.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Tkachuks a playoff 0 every year? How is this self inflicted? He just doesn't have the game to succeed in this type of hockey, his skating is that bad. Blowing a lead early is very different from blowing leads late (Avs). You keep telling yourself this core is a lot similar to the Avs, and I will politely vehemently disagree.

God, self inflicted injury because he punched someone’s helmet and messed his hand up.

And again someone misses the point about the Avs.