Hockey Canada, CHL settle lawsuit over alleged sexual assault involving WJ players

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

This is already out of date. Steel released a statement tonight.

A weird/weak one where his agent spoke in the first person about himself. And it looks like that tweet has actually been deleted.

[mile]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

A weird/weak one where his agent spoke in the first person about himself. And it looks like that tweet has actually been deleted.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549571405213323264


Probably the weakest statement I've seen so far

[stang]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

This is already out of date. Steel released a statement tonight.

Not a good one

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549571405213323264


Probably the weakest statement I've seen so far

Actually I find that one stronger than the Dube agent or the Wasserman statement. Doesn’t say “didn’t engage in wrongdoing”. Says “alleged misconduct”.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Actually I find that one stronger than the Dube agent or the Wasserman statement. Doesn’t say “didn’t engage in wrongdoing”. Says “alleged misconduct”.

I don’t know, was there other misconduct that has not (yet) been alleged or described in the media?!?

The statement on behalf of Dube reads like super-aggressive lawyer-speak that is intended to be as broad and all-encompassing as possible. At least, that’s what I hope for his sake…

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

I don’t know, was there other misconduct that has not (yet) been alleged or described in the media?!?

The statement on behalf of Dube reads like super-aggressive lawyer-speak that is intended to be as broad and all-encompassing as possible. At least, that’s what I hope for his sake…

The “not involved in wrongdoing” I find to be problematic because it sounds like they are hiding behind the fact there were no charges (ergo, no “wrongdoing”). He didn’t say “alleged misconduct” or “alleged wrongdoing” because that would include stuff that had been dismissed. So When Steel says “not involved in alleged misconduct I find that stronger.

[the-rasta-masta]

In this case lack of words reveal more than words. If somebody is innocent and involved in something that is getting so much negative press, they explicitly announce in a statement that they weren't involved....period. Much like Makar did. It seems pretty obvious that Dube was involved in the incident here in some capacity or other.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

In this case lack of words reveal more than words. If somebody is innocent and involved in something that is getting so much negative press, they explicitly announce in a statement that they weren't involved....period. Much like Makar did. It seems pretty obvious that Dube was involved in the incident here in some capacity or other.

Well, TBF, there are 8 players who’ve said absolutely nothing.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, TBF, there are 8 players who’ve said absolutely nothing.

Sam Steel was one of those players 8 listed and his agent just released that statement tonight.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

In this case lack of words reveal more than words. If somebody is innocent and involved in something that is getting so much negative press, they explicitly announce in a statement that they weren't involved....period. Much like Makar did. It seems pretty obvious that Dube was involved in the incident here in some capacity or other.

This is where society is at these days eh? Truly this statement reads “innocent until proven guilty” “if you’re guilty you won’t say anything, if you’re innocent you’ll proclaim your innocence”

Not saying what these guys did wasn’t horrible but to literally disregard one of the main tenants of democracy because you don’t like the statement or lack thereof of someone proclaiming their innocence is truly against everything democracy stands for

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

This is where society is at these days eh? Truly this statement reads “innocent until proven guilty” “if you’re guilty you won’t say anything, if you’re innocent you’ll proclaim your innocence”

Not saying what these guys did wasn’t horrible but to literally disregard one of the main tenants of democracy because you don’t like the statement or lack thereof of someone proclaiming their innocence is truly against everything democracy stands for

A. It’s tenets.
B. It’s a legal concept, not a democratic concept.
C. It applies in criminal law only.
D. All everyone is doing is looking at the statements to see what they say, and what they don’t say.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

This is where society is at these days eh? Truly this statement reads “innocent until proven guilty” “if you’re guilty you won’t say anything, if you’re innocent you’ll proclaim your innocence”

Not saying what these guys did wasn’t horrible but to literally disregard one of the main tenants of democracy because you don’t like the statement or lack thereof of someone proclaiming their innocence is truly against everything democracy stands for

I never said he was guilty, but it the statement points to him being involved in the incident. Whether it was consensual or not, that's about to come out in the wash.

[Monahammer]

That's the second time in a week that someone has so blatantly misunderstood "innocent until proven guilty" on this forum. It's alarming.

Are y'all not ever suspicious of people because of past behavior? This concept is important in criminal trial proceedings, but outside of that please god please use your best judgment to analyze situations and create positions prior to being confronted with the consequences of a situation. The word to describe people who don't engage in this process is "naïve".

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by mile

Probably the weakest statement I've seen so far

It's nowhere near as weak as Dube's or the Wesserman's clients. At least he denies being involved in what has been described by the media, though lawyer speak leaves room for him to be involved and having the media describe it improperly (i.e. can argue that it was consensual). More importantly he denies anyone has alleged he was involved though.

Still have to wonder why they didn't just say he wasn't in the room when the alleged misconduct occurred, but better than saying that there was no wrongdoing.

[Parallex]

Yeah... saying "I didn't engage in any wrongdoing" doesn't mean you didn't do the thing... it leaves open the possibility that you did the thing but you just don't believe it was wrong.

Either way I hope the Flames are doing their due diligence here. If it turns out that he was involved they're going to have to terminate his contract.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Yeah... saying "I didn't engage in any wrongdoing" doesn't mean you didn't do the thing... it leaves open the possibility that you did the thing but you just don't believe it was wrong.

Either way I hope the Flames are doing their due diligence here. If it turns out that he was involved they're going to have to terminate his contract.

It's something Trump would say. Now, TBF to Dube and others, it's lawyer speak, and purposely ambiguous. Sometimes lawyers get too cagey and make it sound worse than it is.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's something Trump would say. Now, TBF to Dube and others, it's lawyer speak, and purposely ambiguous. Sometimes lawyers get too cagey and make it sound worse than it is.

Hey - hold on now. I resemble that remark!

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by devo22

I'm really only catching up with this, but I got to say that Rick Westhead and Katie Strang are awesome. Did a great job reporting the Kyle Beach case back then and doing it again with this one ... I'm happy there's sports journalists like them out there who are not afraid to touch these stories and show the public what goes wrong behind the scenes.

Totally agree. I also notice who is NOT pursuing this with any vigor. Journalists with more cache like Friedman and insiders with precious relationships with agents are noticeably quiet.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's something Trump would say. Now, TBF to Dube and others, it's lawyer speak, and purposely ambiguous. Sometimes lawyers get too cagey and make it sound worse than it is.

Oh, it's 100% lawyer speak. Thing is that lawyer speak is good for a court of law but not the court of public opinion... I do find it curious that his was the only one to put in a SLAPP statement.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Oh, it's 100% lawyer speak. Thing is that lawyer speak is good for a court of law but not the court of public opinion... I do find it curious that his was the only one to put in a SLAPP statement.

it wasn't. The original Wasserman statement had that SLAPP threat too:

“We act for one of the players referenced in your email inquiry and have consulted with counsel for the other players you reference. All of Global News’ questions will be asked and answered during the pending NHL investigation. That said, none of the players you reference engaged in any wrongdoing, all of the players cooperated fully with the independent London Police Service investigation in 2018, and all players were then cleared of any wrongdoing,” Fenton wrote.

“Naming any of these players now, or attempting to associate any of them in any way with alleged criminal wrongdoing, or alleging that they were not cooperative with the London Police or willing to cooperate with Hockey Canada, will constitute materially false statements constituting defamation causing serious financial and reputational harm.”