[PST] Quarter Finals: Montreal Canadiens vs. Winnipeg Jets - HABS WIN SERIES 4-0

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Slava

I just can't onside with that view. It's the second round of the playoffs, and you think that he should basically just let him score? I mean it was a devastating hit, but his feet never left the ground and he basically coasts in from center (or takes a stride or two). He has to keep his head up, and there's no way you can expect them to just give him a goal.

While I don't necessarily disagree, you also don't need to plow right through a guy in that vulnerable of a position. I get it, it's the playoffs, you can't let up until the last second, but I mean he makes no attempt whatsoever at the puck or separation he just b-lines for the hit which unless he's a complete moron knows is gonna be one helluva impact hit given the opponent's position.

It's an unnecessary hit imo. Sheif doesn't prevent a goal with that hit regardless he just plows a guy for the sake of plowing a guy for the sake of finishing a check. I play hockey so I get it's a part of the game, but it's an ugly one nonetheless.

[GioforPM]

I'd say these two angles show how there was really no attempt to stop a goal. And, in fact, how the puck was already bouncing off the back of the net by the time the hit occurred. MS doesn't jump, but he certainly crouches and elevates into it using his legs. I think he catches a fair bit of head.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1400275216132096002

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The puck was well into the goal. Freeze this at 8-10 seconds.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1400289054399287296

The puck was not well into the goal when you take in the real time speed of the game. Players cannot stop their forward motion in a millisecond. You keep using slow motion replay to make your points instead of game speed. Have you ever been on skates?

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The puck was not well into the goal when you take in the real time speed of the game. Players cannot stop their forward motion in a millisecond. You keep using slow motion replay to make your points instead of game speed. Have you ever been on skates?

It would be interesting to know how this hit would have been viewed had Scheifele arrived a second sooner and the goal was prevented.

[Poster]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The puck was well into the goal. Freeze this at 8-10 seconds.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1400289054399287296

so who thinks a player can stop their brain and change their course in 1 second? he was commited to defending the net and ran over the player in a split second difference between puck on stick and in net. we only can see it was 1 second apart because we have the use of digital tools.

No way MS could have prevented that hit other than making the decision to not defend the net 5 strides sooner.

I guess the league has called a hearing but i just dont see how it was humanly possible for that hit to be avoided other than the player giving up on the play.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The puck was not well into the goal when you take in the real time speed of the game. Players cannot stop their forward motion in a millisecond. You keep using slow motion replay to make your points instead of game speed. Have you ever been on skates?

He could have 100% stopped completely before the hit. He stopped skating by the hash marks and set up his body for the devastating hit without even looking for or attempting to find the puck. He had one thing on his mind.

You can stop pretty damn fast on skates.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Poster

so who thinks a player can stop their brain and change their course in 1 second? he was commited to defending the net and ran over the player in a split second difference between puck on stick and in net. we only can see it was 1 second apart because we have the use of digital tools.

No way MS could have prevented that hit other than making the decision to not defend the net 5 strides sooner.

I guess the league has called a hearing but i just dont see how it was humanly possible for that hit to be avoided other than the player giving up on the play.

Other angles show he actually had to move away from the net to make the hit, not towards it.

The way to not give up on the play is to try and stop the goal, not punish a guy for scoring it. Bieksa, Hrudey, Botterill, all said it was indefensible. Also Marty Biron, Matthew Barnaby, etc. The only player I've seen defend it is Avery.

[GioforPM]

Matthew Barnaby:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1400476112006823941

[Northendzone]

i cant make my mind up on this one.

there was still about a minute and mtl had a one goal lead, so if shief prevents the goal then he has made a good play; however, he does not. The hit itself, a questionable given he came from a long way away, and there appears to be some head contact.

i guess anything between 0 and three games would be fair - maybe two is a happy medium - but i am not sure if there are any comparable incidents - if there are then i would consider what was done there

[EVERLAST]

My big hate of this hit is that it was predatory, dangerous , stupid, disrespectful and opportunistic on Schliefles part.

Its like MMA .....a guy gets tagged and is wobbly and obviously cannot defend himself yet ....hell let's rain down with some hammerfists and make sure we don't stop until we draw blood and the ref pulls us off.

I wouldn't defend a Calgary Flame under any circumstances and so why in the hell would I for this.

Jesus tappdancing Christ that was bad. The level of hatred , ego and entitlement I see amongst certain players in this league nowadays is horrific.

Some of these guys like Kadri and Wilson operate on some kind of different ucked kind of delusional mindset that they can just go around repeatedly doing this shirt with ZERO fear of consequences because the DPS cannot and will NOT punish these guys accordingly.

Playoff hockey doesn't change a damn thing....you don't do it. You don't give permission yourself to be this kind of twatwaffle......going around just looking for this kind of thing.

For those defending it......wow.....well done you F ing heros . I hope whenever life holds you in a vulnerable place and your down ....someone comes along and puts your mouth on a curb and curb stomps ya....i really do......ya must have had it coming .

[Dogbert]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1400507380933201932

So, to recap - taking a 200-foot run at a defenceless player in order to try to take his head off is a clean hit, and accidentally nicking a player’s ankle with one’s skate while attempting to stop along the boards is an egregious and malicious attempt to injure.

[Scroopy Noopers]

I don’t think he could have changed his mind last second.

Which is why his primary objective shouldn’t have been blowing the guy up. See the defenceman next to Schiefele? That’s what 99.9% of players do on that play. In with the stick. Schiefele could have made that play successfully.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

https://twitter.com/user/status/1400289054399287296

First time I've seen that iso. Seeing him skate the full length of the ice, that's definitely charging for me.

I'll say 2-3 games.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by troutman

You don't think TB, BOS and FLA are much better than EDM,WIN and CGY? Ok.

They were 5th in that division last time (including 9 loser points). Minus 9 goal differential.
https://www.nhl.com/standings/2019/division

I am looking forward to the reality check next round...Habs won 24 of 56 in the North div. If not for covid they don't make the playoffs either of the last two seasons.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The puck was not well into the goal when you take in the real time speed of the game. Players cannot stop their forward motion in a millisecond. You keep using slow motion replay to make your points instead of game speed. Have you ever been on skates?

You ever done start/stop on skates? trust me, you can stop pretty fking fast on skates (assuming a good skater/play hockey of course)
...not that this point matters tho it's not like Sheif woulda just attempted to stop at the last second...

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

First time I've seen that iso. Seeing him skate the full length of the ice, that's definitely charging for me.

I'll say 2-3 games.

Impact caused by distance traveled...it's textbook charging

[Lanny_McDonald]

It was a blatant charge. Shoulder to head. Should be at least three games.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Stanley

You ever done start/stop on skates? trust me, you can stop pretty fking fast on skates (assuming a good skater/play hockey of course)
...not that this point matters tho it's not like Sheif woulda just attempted to stop at the last second...

It’s such a hilarious take. What was he going to do otherwise? Hit the boards full speed?! The old Louis Mendoza?!

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

It’s such a hilarious take. What was he going to do otherwise? Hit the boards full speed?! The old Louis Mendoza?!

I was just proving a point that you can stop quick-like on skates.

But I also point out it's a pointless take cause yea of course he's not just gonna smash into the boards!

It's a dumb take either way - the point is, he could have decided to slow/stop/whatever when he stopped his strides, at least try to prevent the goal rather than go in for the kill.

[GirlySports]

It's disingenuous to call it a 200 foot charge. For the first 170 feet of it he's thinking he can get back fast enough to prevent the goal. Only at the end does he decided to take Evans out which is the part he'll be suspended for.

If it were McDavid, he would have skated 8 feet and thrown his hands up in the air in disgust.