Who do you WANT the Flames Starting Goalie To Be Next Season [*NEW POLL 12·05·17]

[Ryan Coke]

The interesting thing I took away is that not only do the Pens need a team that wants Fleury and his remaining contact, and is willing to give them assets for him, but that is willing able to use their one expansion draft protection spot on him.

It may really limit the market for Fleury (or even Murray).

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Would Winnipeg move Trouba for Murray?

The Pens can't protect all the defensemen they want as is, adding Trouba would force them to expose someone like Hornqvist

[pgsieve]

It might just be a full weekend playing Xbox, but my vote is for Grubauer!

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I agree but the market for Fleury is going to be a limited one where Murray can be shopped league wide and command a huge return.

You're losing the forest from the trees there. Obviously a player with more value brings more in trade, but that's like pointing out Brodie would have brought more in a trade than Jokipakka.

The value of a player is a reason to keep them, not a reason to trade them.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Itse

You're losing the forest from the trees there. Obviously a player with more value brings more in trade, but that's like pointing out Brodie would have brought more in a trade than Jokipakka.

The value of a player is a reason to keep them, not a reason to trade them.

That is not at all a fair comparison. Unlike Jokipakka, MA Fleury is one of the best players at his position in the NHL.

I think it is unlikely, but it is not the slightest bit unreasonable to imagine a scenario in the next six weeks in which Murray is moved. Alternatively the Penguins risk losing him for nothing, buying out MA Fleury in the centre of their Cup window, or surrendering significant assets to dissuade VGK from selecting Murray in the expansion draft. This is not an easy decision, and with the high return that Murray would command, trading him might be an option depending on how strongly the Penguins feel about Tristan Jarry.

Like I said, I don't believe they will trade Murray, but I definitely could see why they might choose to do so.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Itse

You're losing the forest from the trees there. Obviously a player with more value brings more in trade, but that's like pointing out Brodie would have brought more in a trade than Jokipakka.

The value of a player is a reason to keep them, not a reason to trade them.

Textcritic summed up my thoughts by saying your comparison is off. It is more like keeping Gio over Hamilton. Both are top pairing valuable Dmen but one is 10 year older than the other which is the same thing with Fleury and Murray. If the Flames had to move one of their Dmen but Gio with the NMC (hypothetical) was going to return far less value than Hamilton who the Flames could shop leaguewide and fill another hole they might look at it.

Jarry has some great AHL numbers as well so the Pens might even have a goalie that could replace Murray down the road. I agree they likely find a way to move Fleury and keep Murray but if MAF wins them a cup this year I could see all bets being off

[Itse]

In the cap world, teams constantly have to make decisions about who to keep and who to move. If high trade value would be a serious incentive to trade players, teams would regurarly be moving their high value players. Not happening, because it doesn't make any sense.

The Murray/Fleury situation isn't really that different from a team forced to move a UFA they can't afford to re-sign. Theoretically a team always has the option to move someone with a good contract (because players like that can always be moved) to make cap space for the re-signing. It doesn't happen, because it's an extremely stupid idea.

Teams will rather lose less valuable assets for nothing than move their most valuable assets. Just like Penguins will rather trade Fleury for peanuts than trade Murray.

If they move Murray, it's because of how they see Murray and Fleury, not their trade value.

Besides, Fleury can absolutely be traded. He has to provide 18 teams he can be traded to, which is a lot of teams. Unless his list is mostly about geography, Calgary is going to be on his list of potential trade partners.

[Johnny Rotten]

Since Bishop's out of the picture (barring some miracle), who do the Flames target now?

Do we need a new poll?

[bigrangy]

Lehtonen/Pavelec tandem pls

#FallinforDahlin

[Roof-Daddy]

Probably going to be either Elliott or MAF now.

I look forward to wildly inconsistent goaltending for years to come.

Weeeee!

Pray for Murray I guess.

[Itse]

Btw, Korpisalo is playing for Team Finland in the WC right now, and while you can't blame him for the teams struggles, he hasn't really been helping either.

I'm far from an expert, but I'm not seeing starter potential there.

[FlamesAddiction]

Raanta is my pick now, assuming Bishop signs with Dallas. It seems like they intend to and my bet is that they do. Then Grubauer.

Or both.

[868904]

I think the tandem I want next season is Halak and one of Grubauer/Raanta/Pickard.

Halak has a very good resume. IN 30 playoff games, he has a 924 save percentage and 2.39 GAA. Acquisition cost should not be high. Still in his prime, and contract risk is low.

Grubauer/Raanta/Pickard, you hope to be lucky like the Oilers with Talbot.

[Johnny Rotten]

Would anyone involve Parsons+? in a trade for a potential number 1 like Grubauer, Murray, or Raanta?

I can't even guess-especially since this is an expansion year-what it will cost to acquire a number one goalie.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten

Would anyone involve Parsons+? in a trade for a potential number 1 like Grubauer, Murray, or Raanta?

I can't even guess-especially since this is an expansion year-what it will cost to acquire a number one goalie.

Only for a legit starter, Murray/Schneider/Gibson etc

The Flames have to develop one goalie eventually right?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Raanta is my pick now, assuming Bishop signs with Dallas. It seems like they intend to and my bet is that they do. Then Grubauer.

Or both.

I'd go Grubauer ahead of Raanta, but I guess I'd also dig a dynamic duo.

[devo22]

Grubauer is my pick. In any case, Sigalet has to go though.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Any interest in Steve Mason?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Itse

In the cap world, teams constantly have to make decisions about who to keep and who to move. If high trade value would be a serious incentive to trade players, teams would regurarly be moving their high value players. Not happening, because it doesn't make any sense.

The Murray/Fleury situation isn't really that different from a team forced to move a UFA they can't afford to re-sign. Theoretically a team always has the option to move someone with a good contract (because players like that can always be moved) to make cap space for the re-signing. It doesn't happen, because it's an extremely stupid idea.

Teams will rather lose less valuable assets for nothing than move their most valuable assets. Just like Penguins will rather trade Fleury for peanuts than trade Murray.

If they move Murray, it's because of how they see Murray and Fleury, not their trade value.

Besides, Fleury can absolutely be traded. He has to provide 18 teams he can be traded to, which is a lot of teams. Unless his list is mostly about geography, Calgary is going to be on his list of potential trade partners.

I don't agree with your take on this. This is a highly unique situation where a team could lose a valuable asset for nothing if they don't play their cards right. Now that won't happen but they may be forced to buy Fleury out. How many teams need a starting goalie and do not have a young goalie to protect? Dallas and Calgary are the only ones I can think of. Dallas has likely been taken out of the equation with Bishop likely signing there.

You assume Fleury would welcome Calgary I am not so convinced. You also say another team will trade for him but who?

This is a highly unique situation. Murray has been incredible but also has an injury history. Fleury is still at the top of his game and the Pens have Tristan Jarry in the system. Moving Murray could result in a Bonino replacement, top 4 D, and/or a 1st round pick (Pens have traded their last 4 1st rounders). Fleury brings back very little considering the market might be Calgary and the hated Flyers (who may not want to lose Neuvirth)

[getbak]

I was thinking about the specifics of the expansion draft rules, and the fact that every team needs to expose a minimum of one goalie who's eligible for the draft and either under contract for next season or an RFA on July 1.

Right now, every team in the league has at least one goalie who meets the exposure rules, and every team except the Flames have a veteran under contract for next season who they'll likely protect.

The exposure requirement is a wrinkle in any possible trades that Flames might try to make. For example, if the Pens trade either Fleury or Murray, they won't have a goalie to expose.


That made me curious as to which teams have more than one exposure-eligible goalie in their systems. These are the teams who are more likely to be a potential trade partner with the Flames before the expansion draft. None of them jump out at me as a player I'd be excited to see as the Flames' starter next season.

• BOS: Khudobin/Subban
• CAR: Ward/Lack/Altshuller (assuming they protect Darling)
• CBJ: Dansk/Korpisalo/Forsberg
• DAL: Lehtonen/Niemi/Kiviaho/Lagace (assuming they sign and protect Bishop)
• DET: Howard/Coreau
• LAK: Zatkoff/Campbell
• NYI: Halak/Gibson
• NYR: Raanta/Skapski
• OTT: Hammond/Driedger
• STL: Hutton/Binnington
• TOR: Bibeau/Sparks