[News] Flames only qualify 4 players. 9 go to UFA on July 1st (incl Jooris, Colborne, Ortio)

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

On a side note, I found it interesting that Iginla was not mentioned once in that article.

Why?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by AC

Yeah, I can see why Treliving was not interested in arbitration at all.

I wonder what the Flames were offering considering Colborne was coming off a big year statistically (though with some warning signs) and a $1.275M salary.

I was a big fan of Colborne while he was here. He obviously had some inflated stats last season, however it's surprising how poor he's done this year for Colorado. Regardless I'm much happier with Versteeg at $950k than Colborne at $2.5M.

I bet Colborne was offered similar dollars and term as the deal he signed in denver, probably the same dollars as Bouma.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I bet Colborne was offered similar dollars and term as the deal he signed in denver, probably the same dollars as Bouma.

I think that is about right, and honestly, I would have been happy with that deal at the time.

Colborne would most certainly be the whipping boy if he remained in Calgary, with that production though. Yikes, Colorado is a train wreck.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Why?

The article discusses some pretty serious relationship and work ethics issues going inside the team. Iginla, arguably, is the most significant and respected former superstar player on the team. Beauchemin is quoted in the article. Iginla is not even mentioned. I find it somewhat puzzling. Is it not surprising to you?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

The article discusses some pretty serious relationship and work ethics issues going inside the team. Iginla, arguably, is the most significant and respected former superstar player on the team. Beauchemin is quoted in the article. Iginla is not even mentioned. I find it somewhat puzzling. Is it not surprising to you?

Based on Iginla's tenure in Calgary, not really. I can't really recall any stories of his vocal leadership.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The Flames were negotiating with Colborne at least through June.

He wasn't qualified on June 27 and signed with the Avs on July 1st.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

He wasn't qualified on June 27 and signed with the Avs on July 1st.

What's your point?

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

What's your point?

That he wasn't negotiating with Colborne through June? Unless you meant a few days.

If Trelving wanted Colborne, he'd be a Flame. He loved Calgary and his entire family and friends are here. It's clear the Flames moved on.

[Flash Walken]

holy #### man, just google it

http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=colbor...ng+negotiation

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

holy #### man, just google it

http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=colbor...ng+negotiation

Your link doesn't work. If your point was that he negotiated with Colborne for a max 4 days then you're right. When you said "at least through June" it was misleading. They had some short talks and it was obvious Colborne wasn't part of the future. The writing was on the wall. Conroy anytime when he was asked about Colborne he'd say something along the lines of "you can't look too hard about players playing well with no pressure".

[Flash Walken]

ok then, great talk

[devo22]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Your link doesn't work. If your point was that he negotiated with Colborne for a max 4 days then you're right. When you said "at least through June" it was misleading. They had some short talks and it was obvious Colborne wasn't part of the future. The writing was on the wall. Conroy anytime when he was asked about Colborne he'd say something along the lines of "you can't look too hard about players playing well with no pressure".

they certainly negotiated through June. This is from a Sportsnet article from June 8:

The Calgary Flames‘ busy general manager has already begun contract negotiations with Joe Colborne.

Treliving must find a new head coach and prepare for the NHL Draft this month, but that didn’t stop him from opening up talks with Colborne’s agent, J.P. Barry, upon returning from Russia last month, when he co-GM’d Team Canada to an IIHF world championship.

“Since he’s been back, I know we’ve been in some talks, and hopefully we’re getting closer and closer,” Colborne told Sportsnet 960 The Fan on Wednesday. "I’m not thinking that it’s going to take too, too long here.”

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/j...eau-treliving/

Of course they negotiated, probably for weeks or even months. In the end, the money obviously didn't work for the Flames, but let's not act like they didn't talk at all before the end of June. They wanted to re-sign him for sure, but it didn't work for them.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Colborne is terrible, as I thought he's likely done from the NHL real soon. Can't believe some thought he was part of the future with the Flames.

So glad to see him off the Flames. His no heart, no compete play would be a bad influence on the younger players.

These kinds of posts are just cringe worthy, and you make them all the time.

Everything / everyone is either terrible or horrible.

Couldn't just be that the Flames were looking at Colborne if it was the right price and term, huh? Nope, it's "never in the plans because he has no heart / compete, bad influence" blah blah blah.

Sickening.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

These kinds of posts are just cringe worthy, and you make them all the time.

Everything / everyone is either terrible or horrible.

Couldn't just be that the Flames were looking at Colborne if it was the right price and term, huh? Nope, it's "never in the plans because he has no heart / compete, bad influence" blah blah blah.

Sickening.

Man you complain a lot. Why do you even post here if all you do is whine and cry like you're 12? Do you ever contribute without critiquing?

Colborne is awful and he's shown it his entire career. How many teams have given up on him? He's 26 and hasn't shown anything yet and soon to be his fourth team will give up on him. Hes just not very good and I'm glad the management didn't sign him as they clearly saw the same things I and others did. If you chose to ignore his faults, that's on you.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

How many teams have given up on him?

that depends on how you want to spin it. IMO Boston certainly didn't "give up" on him, they just saw an opportunity to add a quality defenseman for a playoff run, and given that they won the cup that year, I'd say the gamble paid off. Toronto then was at a point where they simply didn't have a roster spot for him, so they traded him for a pick instead of losing him on waivers. Calgary certainly didn't give him up, they just didn't have the cap space to re-sign and/or were unwilling to pay him a significant raise after a career year.

You hate Colborne, we get it. But let's not re-write history here. The guy still scored 37 goals and 100 points over 3 years in Calgary, he wasn't "awful" by any means.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Man you complain a lot. Why do you even post here if all you do is whine and cry like you're 12? Do you ever contribute without critiquing?

Colborne is awful and he's shown it his entire career. How many teams have given up on him? He's 26 and hasn't shown anything yet and soon to be his fourth team will give up on him. Hes just not very good and I'm glad the management didn't sign him as they clearly saw the same things I and others did. If you chose to ignore his faults, that's on you.

You call what you do contributing? That post I quoted is outright garbage and you do it all the time.

Colborne is a bottom six player. Personally I'm glad we took the route we did but that doesn't excuse your comments calling him terrible, horrible, and a bad influence and - incorrectly - suggesting he wasn't wanted here. He wasn't wanted at the price he would have got through arbitration. Treliving openly said they would revisit after the UFA period started and Joe jumped on the ridiculously high offer Colorado gave him. Good on him. That doesn't change the fact the Flames were on the record saying they were looking at him at a more cost effective fit.

Several people have pointed that out to you, yet you just burry your head in the sand and continue outright bashing the player.

It's completely unnecessary and it's all you do. If you don't like being called on it, try taking a different approach. You calling anyone else a child couldn't be any more ironic.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You call what you do contributing? That post I quoted is outright garbage and you do it all the time.

Colborne is a bottom six player. Personally I'm glad we took the route we did but that doesn't excuse your comments calling him terrible, horrible, and a bad influence and - incorrectly - suggesting he wasn't wanted here. He wasn't wanted at the price he would have got through arbitration. Treliving openly said they would revisit after the UFA period started and Joe jumped on the ridiculously high offer Colorado gave him. Good on him. That doesn't change the fact the Flames were on the record saying they were looking at him at a more cost effective fit.

Several people have pointed that out to you, yet you just burry your head in the sand and continue outright bashing the player.

It's completely unnecessary and it's all you do. If you don't like being called on it, try taking a different approach. You calling anyone else a child couldn't be any more ironic.

Wait, did he get a ridiculously high offer or not?

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You're assuming someone would have given something up for him in a trade when that's by no means a given by the small salary he signed for. Odd thing to be upset about.

Here you say he got a small salary, make up your mind and don't just post for your convenience and your argument.

He signed for $2.5 million, not some totally unaffordable number. Why else do you think they didn't sign him? Because he badly wanted to be a Flame and it still didn't happen.

Read your last 20 posts, they're filled with so much whining and crying it's actually amazing you enjoy yourself here. You can call me out all you want, thats all you do anyways on this board. I was called worse things when I suggested Colborne wouldn't be and shouldn't be qualified and guess what? He wasn't. maybe I know more about hockey then you'd like to admit. Colborne will be out of the league pretty soon and likely bought out at the end of the year because all the things I said about him since day 1 are true. He has no heart and plays with no passion. He showed it with the Leafs, showed it with the Flames and now with the Avs.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Wait, did he get a ridiculously high offer or not?



Here you say he got a small salary, make up your mind and don't just post for your convenience and your argument.

He signed for $2.5 million, not some totally unaffordable number. Why else do you think they didn't sign him? Because he badly wanted to be a Flame and it still didn't happen.

Read your last 20 posts, they're filled with so much whining and crying it's actually amazing you enjoy yourself here. You can call me out all you want, thats all you do anyways on this board. I was called worse things when I suggested Colborne wouldn't be and shouldn't be qualified and guess what? He wasn't. maybe I know more about hockey then you'd like to admit. Colborne will be out of the league pretty soon and likely bought out at the end of the year because all the things I said about him since day 1 are true. He has no heart and plays with no passion. He showed it with the Leafs, showed it with the Flames and now with the Avs.

A high offer compared to what we were looking to pay, yes. How is that difficult to grasp - especially with the timing? Was it seriously lost on you that at the time we were on the verge of negotiating all summer with Monahan and Johnny with no idea how close we'd be to fitting them in? Context. It's important.

Speaking of context... you referring back to a passing comment fishing for convenient arguments just showed you expected we'd receive something via trade for Colborne when you feel he's terrible and not and NHLer. Well played.

I couldn't care less that you want to spin me calling you on your negative garbage whining. I'm not the only one to have done it. This is just another example in a long line of you being ignorant about something and going right to the buzz words terrible and horrible. It's awful to read.

Colborne would not have fit with us at that price tag given our cap situation... but he was good when he was here and won a community achievement award three years in a row. Your bashing him and calling him a bad influence is inexcusable, and outright ignorant. It's typical of the kinds of awful over-statements you make on a regular basis.

[calgaryblood]

So when 90% of the board, including yourself thought Colborne would be qualified and/or signed, you actually thought he'd be coming in under $2.5 million? Talking about context. Gaudreau and Monahan needed a contract regardless of what happened with Colborne so it's pretty convenient you point to that as the reason when you thought he'd be at least qualified at that same time. Colborne defenders always have an excuse to why he wasn't signed. It can't possibly be because he wasn't looked at as part of the future, it must have been because his ridiculously high salary of $2.5 million was just so insanely high.

And I made it quite clear not many teams would be interested in Colborne and never suggested we'd get anything for him in a trade because I do feel he's a terrible player.

And yes I have given him props multiple times about his work in the community, I seriously don't recall another Flame who was more involved in the community. I was talking about his on ice play and you know that.

[sureLoss]

FWIW, Dreger reported Colborne had offers from other teams paying him more than what he took from Colorado.