[News] Flames only qualify 4 players. 9 go to UFA on July 1st (incl Jooris, Colborne, Ortio)

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Wow. I thought Colborne was doing okay with the Avs. Didn't realize his stats were that bad.

Made me curious to look at the Avs stats. Iginla only has 6 points, Comeau has 5 points, and Tanguay is jobless. Rene Bourque is 4th in scoring for the Avs at 11 pts!

[Bandwagon In Flames]

I'm still a little bummed that Agostino wasn't qualified.

But when you look at the teams depth, it's easy to see why it happened. I mean there are 5+ forwards on the Heat who are worthy of a call-up right now and I'm not sure where Kenny would fit in the mix.

[Flash Walken]

It was in Colborne's professional best interest to sign in Calgary because it was a better environment to put up points and continue his career.

Unfortunately he went to Denver and will struggle to remain in the league.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

It was in Colborne's professional best interest to sign in Calgary because it was a better environment to put up points and continue his career.

Unfortunately he went to Denver and will struggle to remain in the league.

I'm more than happy with Matthew Tkachuk in Colborne's spot on Backlund's wing.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Looking back at those not qualified.

The following players did not receive qualifying offers:

Kenny Agostino (LW) 20 Points in the AHL with the Wolves - signed by St Louis

Bill Arnold (C) - currently UFA, not playing

Joe Colborne (C) 4 points with the Avalanche in 22 games

Turner Elson (LW) 2 points in 4 games with the Rampage in the AHL

Josh Jooris (C) - 2 points in 11 games with the Rangers

Joni Ortio (G) - in Sweden with a .913 pct

Kevin Poulin (G) - in the KHL with a .865 pct

Drew Shore (C) - 25 points in 28 games in the Swiss-A league

Bryce Van Brabant (LW) - 2 points in 9 games in the AHL

Aside from Agostino who may potentially still become a 3rd line player, it looks like Treleving was right on all aspects. This team with Colborne, Jooris, Ortio would be very bad

Arnold retired.

[Tinordi]

Colborne

LOLCRY

[Anduril]

Judging by comments from Avs fans, Colborne isn't just doing poorly with bad linemates, he's just playing like himself that we've seen in the past: uninterested, perimeter play with little drive to use his physical advantage.

Beauchemin was recently seen laying into the team for their lacklustre play that Colborne has been the embodiment of this season.
https://www.google.ca/amp/milehighst...chemistry/amp/

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I'm more than happy with Matthew Tkachuk in Colborne's spot on Backlund's wing.

Agreed.

From Colborne's perspective though, he probably made a mistake taking more money for less opportunity in Denver.

With his skill he probably would've been gifted icetime on this flames roster and produced more than 4 points up until now.

[devo22]

just took a look at Colbornes points last year too see if he really rode coat-tails with Backlund as much as I remember. Weird stat of the day: 20% of Colbornes assists came on goals by David Jones and Deryk Engelland.

Goalscorers when Colborne had an assist:

3 - Backlund, Jones
2 - Gaudreau, Giordano, Engelland, Hudler, Frolik, Bennett
1 - Brodie, Bouma, Ferland, Monahan, Hamilton, Stajan, Granlund

Players who got an assist when Colborne scored:

5 - Backlund, Giordano
4 - Brodie, Bennett
3 - Hamilton, Hudler
2 - Monahan, Jokipakka
1 - Gaudreau, Frolik, Stajan, Ferland, Engelland, Bouma, Russell, Granlund, Grant

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Arnold retired.

I was actually just trying to find info on what happened to Arnold. Where did you see that he retired?

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Since1984

I was actually just trying to find info on what happened to Arnold. Where did you see that he retired?

it was discussed in another thread on page 3: http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...=157755&page=3

info came from Brad Pascall on 960.

[icarus]

Iggy only has six points? Wow.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Agreed.

From Colborne's perspective though, he probably made a mistake taking more money for less opportunity in Denver.

With his skill he probably would've been gifted icetime on this flames roster and produced more than 4 points up until now.

That's twice you've made that comment, and it makes no sense.

The Flames are much deeper than the Avs. He would not be getting more ice-time and better opportunities here.

And back to the general conversation, Vesteeg is giving us more offense, at less than half the price.

[CaptainYooh]

This is all disappointing now and easy to for some people to say "I told you so"; but I liked Colborne. I even thought that he had the potential to develop into a Joe Thornton type of player with proper coaching and team setting. Thornton doesn't fight much and doesn't hit people, he is just using his size and skill advantage to make great plays. Colborne has demonstrated a very decent basic skill level, good size and good creativity with the puck. His play in Calgary was streaky but there were some really impressive streaks; undeniably. Most here wanted him to re-sign with Calgary. Too bad he's got on a team that is going through a difficult period. I hope things will improve for him before he completely loses his confidence and gets discarded, like Dustin Boyd, eventually.

Originally Posted by Anduril

Judging by comments from Avs fans, Colborne isn't just doing poorly with bad linemates, he's just playing like himself that we've seen in the past: uninterested, perimeter play with little drive to use his physical advantage.

Beauchemin was recently seen laying into the team for their lacklustre play that Colborne has been the embodiment of this season.
https://www.google.ca/amp/milehighst...chemistry/amp/

On a side note, I found it interesting that Iginla was not mentioned once in that article.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Agreed.

From Colborne's perspective though, he probably made a mistake taking more money for less opportunity in Denver.

With his skill he probably would've been gifted icetime on this flames roster and produced more than 4 points up until now.

The Flames didn't want him, how much clearer could it have been?

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

The Flames didn't want him, how much clearer could it have been?

Not entirely true... correct me if I'm wrong, but he WAS offered a contract, but at less dollars than was necessary to qualify him.

Isn't that right?

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

Not entirely true... correct me if I'm wrong, but he WAS offered a contract, but at less dollars than was necessary to qualify him.

Isn't that right?

I think the problem was that if they qualified him he could go to arbitration, and based on last year's performance, the arbitration process would likely have pushed the salary higher than what the Flames were willing to pay. He then became a UFA, and the Flames did make an offer that Treliving said was comparable to Colorado's, but he chose Colorado.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by AC

Treliving specifically mentioned the plan is to negotiate a new contract with Colborne and that they've already had good talks. I think avoiding arbitration was key and worth the small risk that Colborne chooses to leave.

Joe is a Calgary kid through and through, probably worth the gamble that he'll stay loyal now.

Quoting a quote from June 27th.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That's twice you've made that comment, and it makes no sense.

The Flames are much deeper than the Avs. He would not be getting more ice-time and better opportunities here.

And back to the general conversation, Vesteeg is giving us more offense, at less than half the price.

I guess if you're saying it, it must be true. After all, you've presented me with a pretty exhaustive argument here for why that is.

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

The Flames didn't want him, how much clearer could it have been?

The Flames were negotiating with Colborne at least through June.

Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

I think the problem was that if they qualified him he could go to arbitration, and based on last year's performance, the arbitration process would likely have pushed the salary higher than what the Flames were willing to pay. He then became a UFA, and the Flames did make an offer that Treliving said was comparable to Colorado's, but he chose Colorado.

This is my memory of it as well.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Anduril

Quoting a quote from June 27th.

Yeah, I can see why Treliving was not interested in arbitration at all.

I wonder what the Flames were offering considering Colborne was coming off a big year statistically (though with some warning signs) and a $1.275M salary.

I was a big fan of Colborne while he was here. He obviously had some inflated stats last season, however it's surprising how poor he's done this year for Colorado. Regardless I'm much happier with Versteeg at $950k than Colborne at $2.5M.