2014/2015 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dammage79

It's why I'm pinning placing all my chips on Yandle coming to CGY. Still under term too.

I have my doubts Yandle would sign here long term

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by skudr248

Yandles they're number one

OEL is without a doubt their #1 and franchise player. The level of ignorance the last few pages about OEL is astounding. Some of the offers thrown around are equivalent to saying Giordano for Tye Rattie + 1st rounder + Jake Allen. Mind-boogling.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by dammage79

It's why I'm pinning placing all my chips on Yandle coming to CGY. Still under term too.

I could get behind Yandle. He's another left handed shooter though. If we could move Smid, do we roll 3 lines with the defense if we land a player like that? This would be great, especially if Arizona takes a term contract or two back as part of the package. I would be impressed with Treliving.

Also, rights to Tikhonov are just sitting there.....

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

OEL is without a doubt their #1 and franchise player. The level of ignorance the last few pages about OEL is astounding. Some of the offers thrown around are equivalent to saying Giordano for Tye Rattie + 1st rounder + Jake Allen. Mind-boogling.

I agree that some people aren't giving accurate assessment of OEL but can you please try to disagree with people without being such a jerk to them?
Respect that others can and will disagree. People don't react well to terms like "ignorance".
Frankly, you've had some pretty wacky viewpoints on this site. I'm not going to call you ignorant though.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have my doubts Yandle would sign here long term

Why? System fits his style, has potential to become a key piece in their top 4 for a few years.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I could get behind Yandle. He's another left handed shooter though. If we could move Smid, do we roll 3 lines with the defense if we land a player like that? This would be great, especially if Arizona takes a term contract or two back as part of the package. I would be impressed with Treliving.

Also, rights to Tikhonov are just sitting there.....

Like the idea of getting Tikhonovs right too.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Like the idea of getting Tikhonovs right too.

Meh. From what I read he hasn't played much more than a 3rd line role over there. I don't know if he is an NHLer at all let alone one of much magnitude.
Throw in piece? Maybe. But not for anything of real value.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Meh. From what I read he hasn't played much more than a 3rd line role over there. I don't know if he is an NHLer at all let alone one of much magnitude.
Throw in piece? Maybe. But not for anything of real value.

In the Context Lime and I were looking at, Would be a kicker in a Yandle trade.
So wouldn't be anything of value other than being included in the bigger frame of a trade.

Tikhonov represent another zero risk high reward acquisition either via trading for his rights or signing him to a short term trade. I akin it to a David Wolf type of signing.

[sureLoss]

Tikhonov's rights are pretty much worthless.

He can't play this season and it is in his best interests to go to UFA in a few months time so he can have teams bidding on him and promising him the moon.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Meh. From what I read he hasn't played much more than a 3rd line role over there. I don't know if he is an NHLer at all let alone one of much magnitude.
Throw in piece? Maybe. But not for anything of real value.

He is a RW, good size, and not completely offensively inept. He has been better in international play than in the KHL, and was badly misused (like Edmonton levels of misuse) in Phoenix. He has also stated a desire to return, which could seriously light a fire under a player desperate to play in a higher league.

There is a really good chance he becomes a solid threat for somebody on a second or third line. Worth the gamble, at our weakest position. And you are right, he can be had at a tremendous discount.

I would be targeting Burmistrov in Winnipeg as well, for the same reasons, if it ever made any sense to trade with Winnipeg for any reason. Which it doesn't.

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Tikhonov's rights are pretty much worthless.
He can't play this season and it is in his best interests to go to UFA in a few months time so he can have teams bidding on him and promising him the moon.

We can promise him a small moon, and the chance for exclusive rights to talk to him would be worth a throw in, IMO.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Tikhonov's rights are pretty much worthless.

He can't play this season and it is in his best interests to go to UFA in a few months time so he can have teams bidding on him and promising him the moon.

No one was saying his rights did have value. You can still sign him if he agrees before he hits UFA while holding his rights. IF Treliving with his ties to ARZ had a good relationship with him and his agent, that would help if the Flames are indeed interested.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Why? System fits his style, has potential to become a key piece in their top 4 for a few years.

Well for one the Preaident of Hockey Ops completely shredded him in a public article. He is from the northeast United States and have hears he would like to head back that way if he leaves the Dessert. He would be #3 on this team and want to be pis like number 1. If he had 2-3 more years on his deal I think there would be a better shot keeping him. 1 year to free agency and a new team I get the feeling he would want to explore the market unless the Flames grossly overpaid similar to Ryan in Ottawa

[SuperMatt18]

I do think we overvalue players on the trade market just in general.

We all know what Phaneuf returned.

Jack and Eric Johnson were both high draft picks, and well heralded young d-men that didn't get amazing returns of top 5 draft picks.

Pronger was traded a couple times and both the trades to Anaheim and Edmonton were more quantity then top end quality trades.

If you were to go with something like Backlund, a 1st, and some other B+ prospects you might be able to pry OEL out if they want to clear some cap space.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I do think we overvalue players on the trade market just in general.

We all know what Phaneuf returned.

Jack and Eric Johnson were both high draft picks, and well heralded young d-men that didn't get amazing returns of top 5 draft picks.

Pronger was traded a couple times and both the trades to Anaheim and Edmonton were more quantity then top end quality trades.

If you were to go with something like Backlund, a 1st, and some other B+ prospects you might be able to pry OEL out if they want to clear some cap space.

Jack Johnson returned Jeff Carter, FWIW. I'd call that a big haul.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Jack Johnson returned Jeff Carter, FWIW. I'd call that a big haul.

Jack Johnson and a 1st returned Jeff Carter.

Don't forget L.A. was the team to a first in that deal.

Also at the time Carter's value was much lower then it would be right now.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Well for one the Preaident of Hockey Ops completely shredded him in a public article. He is from the northeast United States and have hears he would like to head back that way if he leaves the Dessert. He would be #3 on this team and want to be pis like number 1. If he had 2-3 more years on his deal I think there would be a better shot keeping him. 1 year to free agency and a new team I get the feeling he would want to explore the market unless the Flames grossly overpaid similar to Ryan in Ottawa

Meh, this is all hypothetical.

[Robo]

did they call the dive on that too... i hope so
edit:wrong thread

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I agree that some people aren't giving accurate assessment of OEL but can you please try to disagree with people without being such a jerk to them?
Respect that others can and will disagree. People don't react well to terms like "ignorance".
Frankly, you've had some pretty wacky viewpoints on this site. I'm not going to call you ignorant though.

Didn't realize I was . I don't see it so much as others agree or disagree, but moreso that they lack the information on him to be able to accurately give a half decent proposal. It just baffles me at the general lack of knowledge outside of Calgary players, but I digress.

[AC]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

Didn't realize I was . I don't see it so much as others agree or disagree, but moreso that they lack the information on him to be able to accurately give a half decent proposal. It just baffles me at the general lack of knowledge outside of Calgary players, but I digress.

Generally anytime you use the phrase "the level of ignorance (...) is astounding", its not going to come across well.

Though I do agree that OEL is a stud and would cost a HUGE piece. Realistically, he'd be one of those players that would cost the Flames so much it wouldn't be worthwhile.

[StrykerSteve]

Arizona isn't trading OEL, why is this even being discussed?

Yandle on the other hand... That's a realistic scenario. You'd have to give up a lot for a guy like that though, not sure Calgary would want to play ball.

I think the most they'd be willing to part with is Raymond, Granlund and a 3rd round pick, or something along those lines.

I don't think that sort of offer gets you Yandle. The Coyotes wouldn't want Glencross.