Water up to row 10 at Saddledome. Dressing rooms submerged.

[kerriffic]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

Why split the effort in half?

Get these people affected new houses/repairs, then worry about the Stampede/Dome. There is time to get the Dome fixed for September, but getting the Stampede grounds fixed up in... 13 days is a hell of a lot of work

Umm what efforts are we splitting in half? Is there an army of people right now at the saddledome?

You do realize how long the cleanup will take all over the city right? it's not just a matter of snapping your fingers and having a house re-built or flood restoration work done? The insurance claims alone will take weeks to do. It seems like you are insinuating that Ken King should forget about the saddledome, grab a wet vac and go out to *insert random private dwelling* and start vacuuming.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

I'm not against fixing the Dome and the Grounds, but it should be priority number 2 at the moment. It makes more sense to me to put full effort into something more important, not divert part of it to something else

If people are willing to volunteer their efforts then they choose what it's going to be on. Seems like a funny thing to complain about. When are you heading down to help out?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Of course we can.

Middle class uninsured calgarians > insured multi-millionaires.

The fact that there are people trying to organize a dome cleanup speaks to the priorities not being straight.

I'll be volunteering to help the Calgarians that actually need help not so we can have the Stampede and the saddledome cleaned in time.

Good for you for volunteering. However, it doesn't make you any less of a pompous ass.

The fact that people are offering to help clean the dome speaks to the fact that the Flames and the Stampede are integral parts of our community. There is going to be an army of volunteers helping with cleanup efforts, and yes, the Dome and Stampede grounds are part of the city and deserve such assistance just as much as any other area of the city. It's called civic pride, and it is not a misplaced priority.

The loss of historic memorabilia is sad. And it is just as sad if it is 30 years of hockey history or 30 years of grandma's family photos. It is all history that is lost.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Of course we can.

Middle class uninsured calgarians > insured multi-millionaires.

The fact that there are people trying to organize a dome cleanup speaks to the priorities not being straight.

I'll be volunteering to help the Calgarians that actually need help not so we can have the Stampede and the saddledome cleaned in time.

Meanwhile your surfing the Flames forums while crews are out cleaning up, do you get the irony of your statements?

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

If people are willing to volunteer their efforts then they choose what it's going to be on. Seems like a funny thing to complain about. When are you heading down to help out?

I've donated to the Alberta Flood Fund, which goes to the victims that need immediate help, thanks.

All that I can gather from here is that I'm a screaming "moron" because I think the Saddledome or the Stampede grounds is relatively unimportant compared to what else is going on, so I'm done

[landshark]

It would sadden me if this thread ran off the rails like so many others into shouting matches.

I'm just an outsider looking in, but I care about you people and your community. It would be nice if heated discussion could just go away for this one thread.

ok - enough of THAT... off to watch hockey and forget about the horrors of the world for a little bit.

Chin up Calgary!

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

I'm not against fixing the Dome and the Grounds, but it should be priority number 2 at the moment. It makes more sense to me to put full effort into something more important, not divert part of it to something else

The Stampede is so huge for Calgary economically, I don't see how you can say that getting the grounds fixed is not important.

[Inglewood Jack]

Alberta flood 2013, aka CP dink measuring contest 2013. Geez.

[sureLoss]

Here is the video that the Flames released... (warning file is 185MB large)

https://us1-1.hostedftp.com/ClMrMJurcERIjS0nhW2uKRP6v

[To Be Quite Honest]

I love the pious attitudes while people are posting on a message forum.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

I love the pious attitudes while people are posting on a message forum.

Hi, welcome to the Internet.

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by Khel

Yes it sucks that people lost everything, but things like the stampede or getting the dome back up and running give people something to look forward to, give them inspiration. Seeing the stampede parade in 13 days after this devastation would be really uplifting in my opinion.

This is exactly right. And to clean up for Stampede is not just the stampede grounds it is the all areas of the city. This shouldn't be the priority, but it should be used as the symbol for the city saying, yeah we could get everything cleaned up in two weeks.

I would said a lot of volunteers help for one or two days and are good with what they did (And good on them, any help is great). This might be a way to keep people volunteering for a week or more. This could get more corporate money donated, this could get more contractor in the city that would stay for more work.

But also people say that the dome as important as peoples homes, that is correct. But it is not unimportant, The Saddledome is the home of many childhood memories. Attending Olympic hockey games in 1988, all the flames games I went too. I worked there for six seasons. It is an important landmark for me and many in the city.

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Here is the video that the Flames released... (warning file is 185MB large)

https://us1-1.hostedftp.com/ClMrMJurcERIjS0nhW2uKRP6v

It's just a slideshow of the photos with zooms and pans.

[Azure]

Pincher Creek had quite a few floods while I lived there. '96, '99, '05....maybe one more year. In '05 I was in high school and the fire department asked for help to sand bag. Guys with trucks helped deliver the sandbags, and at one point we had to get police escort because certain people in a trailer park that was beyond hopeless to save were pretty pissed off that emergency crews just told them to evacuate without really trying to save anything. Their situation really was hopeless. Right beside a fast rising river at pretty much the lowest part in town. What are you going to do? Someone had to make the call that sandbagging efforts had to go elsewhere.

The point is that in an emergency everyone has their own sense of what is important to save, and what isn't. For someone who is in the process of watching their house float away, the fact that the Saddledome is getting so much media attention can be a real gear grinder. But there is nothing you can do.

I don't live in Alberta anymore, so I can volunteer my help, but judging from the pictures and comments on Twitter and even here on CP, people are doing their absolute best to help those that need help.

The picture of the cars lined up going through a community from house to house doing what needs to be done is pretty special by itself. I'm honestly not surprised. Albertans are a special breed.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Nittmo

you are forgetting about the service entry transformer, the main switchgear, the central distribution panel, and the numerous electrical rooms on the ground floor, and the conduits and cables inside them. None of it waterproof, all of it submerged, and all of it will need replaced, not 'dried out', in order to pass inspection. It will be a monumental task. It's way easier installing that stuff during the original construction than it is to retro-fit new equipment.

The job won't even be estimated until weeks from now..then there will be the tenders, etc.

The Flames will not be using that building in this calendar year at least.

That's normal times.....this stuff ain't going out to tender.

Cost plus and get 're dun.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

That's normal times.....this stuff ain't going out to tender.

Cost plus and get 're dun.

Agreed entirely, if they want it done as fast as possible to be ready, cost plus and design build for any changes.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

The Stampede is so huge for Calgary economically, I don't see how you can say that getting the grounds fixed is not important.

I never said it wasn't important, I said its not as important as other things

[korzym12]

Page 22....beating a bush people......

[calgarywinning]

I think Scotiabank should step up and take on a mortgage of their own to make repairs/rebuild happen. Then we will have a big celebration when they pay it off and CP will hire them a band to walk out in the CEO's bedroom when he's asleep with symbols crashing in his ears to thank him for his contribution and to punish him for the awful commercials they make.

[Nittmo]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Agreed entirely, if they want it done as fast as possible to be ready, cost plus and design build for any changes.

I disagree..you both sound like you have a magic wand that throws money to fix things. Throw as much money as you want at it, you won't speed it up much. I'm a commercial construction electrician, and I also have spent a great deal of time in the event level of the dome. If you knew anything about the installation of electrical equipment, and of the Canadian electrical code, you would understand what I've been trying to say.

Back to the magic wand...wasn't a new arena in the works anyway? After the damage is assessed, do you think that a multi-million dollar band-aid will be applied, only to be replaced by a new building soon? If they decide to fix the damage, it will be a major renovation and the team will stay in the facility long-term.