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kehatch · 11-02-2018, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by David Struch

Eklund's Mike Smith Rumor today,

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklu...s-Buzz/1/95686

And what are the Flames going to do? Bring one of our underperforming goalies from the AHL? Put Neal on net (he isn't really scoring anyway).

As much as I would love to see Smith gone, it isn't happening unless we have a goalie coming back that is an upgrade on Smith.

dammage79 · 11-02-2018, 10:03 PM

Reimer. He'd be decent enough to split games with Rittich I think.

Zulu29 · 11-02-2018, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Reimer. He'd be decent enough to split games with Rittich I think.

If Reimer is an upgrade on Smith, why would Florida trade him for Smith?

ComixZone · 11-02-2018, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kehatch

And what are the Flames going to do? Bring one of our underperforming goalies from the AHL? Put Neal on net (he isn't really scoring anyway).

As much as I would love to see Smith gone, it isn't happening unless we have a goalie coming back that is an upgrade on Smith.

It doesn’t have to be done in one trade.

We could trade Smith to one team, and acquire a goalie from another.

bubbsy · 11-02-2018, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

It doesn’t have to be done in one trade.

We could trade Smith to one team, and acquire a goalie from another.

Exactly.

I am really curious about what the flames might utilize as tradeable assets.

Jankowski, czarnik, stone, Bennett off the big club?
Kylington, mangiapane, foo, Gillies, parsons off the farm?
This year's 1st,2nd round pick?

kehatch · 11-02-2018, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

It doesn’t have to be done in one trade.

We could trade Smith to one team, and acquire a goalie from another.

Uhuh. Florida is getting sunk by bad goal tending, including an injury to their older injury prone goalie. So they go after another older injury prone goalie, only this one is statistically the worst in the NHL right now. And what are they doing with Reimer and his contract after they get Smith?

Meanwhile Calgary is left with one NHL caliber back up but somehow manages to acquire another starter at the same time (and apparently one that Florida didn't want or was too inept to get?) Not likely.

The only way this makes sense if if the Flames see Reimer as an upgrade on Smith and Florida sees Smith as an upgrade on Reimer (and a way to get out of that contract). But given Reimer is signed for 3 seasons I doubt Treliving is interested.

This just doesn't make sense. Which isn't surprising considering the source.

kehatch · 11-02-2018, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Zulu29

If Reimer is an upgrade on Smith, why would Florida trade him for Smith?

If you squint it makes sense.

From Florida's perspective it's a change of scenery. They like their veteran goalies. Plus, Smith only has this season and then the contract is up. If Reimer isn't working out this gets them out of that contract.

From the Flames perspective they are in short and long term trouble in net. Gilles and Parsons aren't working out. Smith is probably not in the cards after this season. Rittich being a long term starter is a long shot. Reimer has been a solid 40 game goalie and he is signed to a cap friendly 3 season deal. He buys you time.

But when you open your eyes it doesn't. Smith as a backup to Luongo isn't a good option for Florida and Reimer and his contract don't fix our issues in Calgary.

David Struch · 11-02-2018, 11:08 PM

It's almost as if Florida is expecting Roberto Luongo to go on LTIR in the not too distant future. Also, Panthers only have $1,664,453 cap space atm.

James Reimer for Mike Smith would work cap wise too.

Shazam · 11-02-2018, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kehatch

And what are the Flames going to do? Bring one of our underperforming goalies from the AHL? Put Neal on net (he isn't really scoring anyway).

As much as I would love to see Smith gone, it isn't happening unless we have a goalie coming back that is an upgrade on Smith.

Just replace him with a Windy Man, they move around in the same style as Smith.

Vinny01 · 11-03-2018, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbsy

Exactly.

I am really curious about what the flames might utilize as tradeable assets.

Jankowski, czarnik, stone, Bennett off the big club?
Kylington, mangiapane, foo, Gillies, parsons off the farm?
This year's 1st,2nd round pick?

Our 2nd is property of the Islanders. I would also swap Bennett with Frolik on your list. Bennett is one of the only physical players we have and would not be someone we should trade at this stage in my opinion. I don’t think this team can afford giving up another 1st rounder for a couple years.

Harry Lime · 11-03-2018, 11:52 AM

Interesting listening to the Toronto feed on the radio this morning. They had 3 takeaways :

1 - that Nylander remains property of the Leafs no matter what happens in terms of contract. I agree.

2 - that Nylander is worth 7 and could get 8.5 and has the potential to deserve it. Eh. On Calgary he would be a 6.5M player. Toronto is crazy.

3 - Marner starts at 9M as a floor figure. 9M wingers are a unicorn. There are 3 or 4 in the league. Is Marner a top 5 winger league wide? I'm beginning to see why Toronto never wins anything. They find ways to bury themselves, even with gifts from heaven like a number 1C landing in their laps.

Monahan For Mayor · 11-03-2018, 01:11 PM

Nylander - 8
Marner - 9
Tavares - 11
Matthews - 11

39M in 4 forwards. I don't think that is a recipe for success.

codynw · 11-03-2018, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Nylander - 8
Marner - 9
Tavares - 11
Matthews - 11

39M in 4 forwards. I don't think that is a recipe for success.

Matthews is gonna get more than Tavares.

Monahan For Mayor · 11-03-2018, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by codynw

Matthews is gonna get more than Tavares.

Maybe. He is better then Tavares but Tavares was a UFA. And he isn't worth 12.5 that McDavid makes.

Erick Estrada · 11-03-2018, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Maybe. He is better then Tavares but Tavares was a UFA. And he isn't worth 12.5 that McDavid makes.

McDavid should have signed for more than $12.5 and Matthews yet to hit his prime is already as good or better than Tavares. He should be asking for $12 million as a starting point or he has a bad agent.

codynw · 11-03-2018, 01:43 PM

And Tavares took less to play in Toronto. Both San Jose and New York were rumoured to be offering more than $11M per year. Matthews is gonna get PAID.

kehatch · 11-03-2018, 01:56 PM

Larkin got 6.1 x 5. Pasternak got 6.6 x 6. Ehlers got 6x7. All comparable players from the same draft. Why is Nylander worth 8?

Geeoff · 11-03-2018, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kehatch

Larkin got 6.1 x 5. Pasternak got 6.6 x 6. Ehlers got 6x7. All comparable players from the same draft. Why is Nylander worth 8?

He's not. Which makes me think that the Leafs' offer is under 6

transplant99 · 11-03-2018, 02:16 PM

There is no chance that Nylander gets 8.5....from anyone.

If that was the case he would already be signed, or if that was his firm ask, he would be dealt by now.

Likely the Leafs are wanting long term at 6.5 or so, while he wants over that to give up ufa years.

ComixZone · 11-03-2018, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kehatch

Larkin got 6.1 x 5. Pasternak got 6.6 x 6. Ehlers got 6x7. All comparable players from the same draft. Why is Nylander worth 8?

I doubt the Nylander camp is after 8M on a 6 year deal - there’s a big difference there. They’re likely after 8 or 8+ on an 8 year deal.

On 6 years, given the contracts you just listed Nylander is likely worth more than all of them simply due to salary-cap inflation.