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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I'm assuming the teams that are interested in Eichel are willing to let him do his surgery?

Because if they let him do the surgery before he is traded, and there are complications, then they essentially eliminate any chance of moving Eichel at all. The Sabres rightly are not willing to take that risk.


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[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The only thing hilarious in this is you consistently doubling down on things that weren't said.

I never said it was a fact that Buffalo and Calgary was talking. Never said it was a fact that Calgary was in on Eichel.

The only thing I'm challenging is your simple summary that a deal has to come to fruition in order for the rumour to have been a fact. That's not true.

Maybe move on man, or at least stop trying to have both sides of the argument between you and me. Tiresome.

Sorry, I'll try and do better and try to ignore your "factual rumors" and when you actually try and justify your statements with "Trelving is on everything." Just me having a conversation with myself, not you saying anything at all.

[saillias]

Seravalli on DFO Rundown podcast

He's asked "Eichel is traded by blank"

And he responds "by next July" and goes off on a rant saying how everyone got mad at him over the weekend for his tweets but he didn't promise anything.

he says "I said will it get done and used the shrug emoji" he's defensive. I figured the insiders would be - after hyping this for the past week, Friday and Saturday and then dead radio silence yesterday.

He specifies the uncertainty with Stone - will he play or will he not affects Vegas ability to do anything. The money is a big issue. And with Buffalo they actually don't have Eichel on LTIR because they need his salary to be above the floor.

Only mention of Calgary is "and Calgary's in there"

then finally "you've got Jack Eichel and his camp saying his situation health-wise is getting worse. We need a resolution very very very soon was the quote that I received"

He also mentions something interesting - that there's questions about Eichel's attitude

Him and the other host get into a hypothetical discussion about Eichel just getting the surgery he wants and having his contract voided. Previously guys would write this off as an unserious option, have heard Friedman and NRD all shoot this down as silly on their podcasts this past month. But now they seem to be talking about it like a serious option. Seravalli's co-host thinks Eichel would get a new 50 million dollar contract on the open market.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by saillias

Seravalli on DFO Rundown podcast

He's asked "Eichel is traded by blank"

And he responds "by next July" and goes off on a rant saying how everyone got mad at him over the weekend for his tweets but he didn't promise anything.

"you've got Jack Eichel and his camp saying his situation health-wise is getting worse. We need a resolution very very very soon was the quote that I received"

So Seravalli making #### up and proving that another "Insider" gets his information from the agents without confirming anything with the team.

Then all the other "insiders" who follow Seravalli on Twitter run with the rumour. I think this shows that Lanny Macdonald is correct about rumours.

Eichel will be traded when Buffalo gets what they want.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by devo22

again, you can't compare the Eichel situation to healthy players like Duchene. Eichel has a major injury that needs surgery and months of recovery ... there's so much uncertainty regarding his longterm health and those worries will only grow the more time passes. We're slowly getting to the point where Euchel won't be available at all this season. Why exactly wouldn't the offers get worse over time? The longer Eichel is out, the bigger the risk for the team that trades for him. Buffalo can't win this.

I agree. Not only does his value to the trade partner decrease as his likelihood or returning during the regular season decreases, but the longer this drags on, the closer he gets to the end of his contract (I know he still has years left, but four years of Eichel are worth more than three years of him). If he isn't traded until the trade deadline, he won't be playing until part way into next season, and even then he could take months to get up to game speed. What contending or up-and-coming team will give up current assets for a player who they won't even know will be an asset for at least six months? And what rebuilding team wants a $10M contract?

Buffalo is simply being unrealistic about the returns in a trade of Eichel, and they are doing themselves and him a disservice by not taking the best offer available now.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by saillias

Seravalli on DFO Rundown podcast

He's asked "Eichel is traded by blank"

And he responds "by next July" and goes off on a rant saying how everyone got mad at him over the weekend for his tweets but he didn't promise anything.

"you've got Jack Eichel and his camp saying his situation health-wise is getting worse. We need a resolution very very very soon was the quote that I received"

If Eichel's camp is saying that his health situation is getting progressively worse, that is a poor prognostic sign for his recovery. That's not to say that he won't recover, but the extent of his recovery is likely going to be less the longer this drags on.

At this point, I wonder if Buffalo is refusing to allow him to go forward with his preferred surgery because their doctors believe that he has a contraindication to the disc replacement surgery, such as excessive kyphosis, ligamentum flavum hypertrophy, or facet joint disease. Cervical disc replacement in general results in better range of motion and less arthritis in adjacent joints compared with fusion surgery, but it isn't for everyone, and for patients with lumbar spinal disc disease, disc replacement surgery is generally inferior to fusion surgery due to the increased incidence of adverse effects/failure resulting from the disc replacement being put under too much stress.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by saillias

Seravalli on DFO Rundown podcast

He's asked "Eichel is traded by blank"

And he responds "by next July" and goes off on a rant saying how everyone got mad at him over the weekend for his tweets but he didn't promise anything.

"you've got Jack Eichel and his camp saying his situation health-wise is getting worse. We need a resolution very very very soon was the quote that I received"

So, Jack Eichel's people told him they need a resolution "very very very soon" and he turned that into: "the Sabres and Jack Eichel are working towards a resolution in the coming days and the Golden Knights may have emerged as the favorites"... and he's complaining that people got mad at him?

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Buffalo is simply being unrealistic about the returns in a trade of Eichel, and they are doing themselves and him a disservice by not taking the best offer available now.

Yup. They're messing with a young man's health and career in a way that I find disgraceful. Why the Eichel camp hasn't grieved (or sued) I'm not sure. Losing an elite player well before his prime is painful I'm sure, but they've brought much of it on themselves.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Sorry, I'll try and do better and try to ignore your "factual rumors" and when you actually try and justify your statements with "Trelving is on everything." Just me having a conversation with myself, not you saying anything at all.

This is so exhausting.

I know you like to argue. I know you have to be right but just give it a rest, I doubt you're impressing anyone ...

Here is what I said ...

Originally Posted by Bingo

Disagree.

A rumour is factual if something is actually being discussed. It doesn't need to actually happen to be a factual rumour.

And on the Buffalo stuff ...

Originally Posted by Bingo

And I never said the Eichel stuff was a factual rumour, but Eichel doesn't have to end up in Calgary for it to be a fact that the two teams have been talking.

Plus I'd give some rumours more credit based on the frequency and the sources, two things that I believe we see in the Eichel discussions.

Add in the fact that Treliving is in on everything and it becomes less of a threshold to be a factual rumour.

I'm not justifying anything.

The rest is just you spinning out of control.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

So Seravalli making #### up and proving that another "Insider" gets his information from the agents without confirming anything with the team...

I think this is unfair. If you actually listen to what Saravelli said, it was that talks were heating up, and he specifically mentioned that Vegas was involved. I suspect all of that is completely true; it's his job to report this stuff.

[djsFlames]

Did you guys actually jump back into a semantics discussion again?

Sometimes I just can't with you, CP.

[sureLoss]

Vegas might be getting more desperate to get this trade done.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1455239293820026881

[Toonage]

If Eichel were stepping into the lineup tomorrow, sure, I could see the urgency. But he's not. Maybe not at all this season. Current injuries shouldn't/wouldn't do anything to push them into making a trade would it?

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Vegas might be getting more desperate to get this trade done.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1455239293820026881

The solution to having too many players that are hurt...

Trade for one with a broken neck!

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Vegas might be getting more desperate to get this trade done.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1455239293820026881

I don’t get how more injuries will increase their want to acquire an injured player?

[djsFlames]

Oh no we have injuries, quick boys, bring in another injured player!

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

The solution to having too many players that are hurt...

Trade for one with a broken neck!

Well, if their season is lost due to injury, may as well build up for next year. Which is where Eichel comes in.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Vegas might be getting more desperate to get this trade done.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1455239293820026881

Except Eichel is months away. Their injury issues are immediate.

…could they be perhaps looking elsewhere or looking to acquire someone who can help today?

Because Buffalo could easily flip Monahan…

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If Eichel were stepping into the lineup tomorrow, sure, I could see the urgency. But he's not. Maybe not at all this season. Current injuries shouldn't/wouldn't do anything to push them into making a trade would it?

I would think the opposite. If you’re not sure how bad this season is going to go, may as well eat it and draft your own 1st rounder rather than gambling on a 24 year old with a significant injury.

Trading for Eichel because you need C help to make the playoffs is like trading for Deshaun Watson because you need a QB for this Sunday.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If Eichel were stepping into the lineup tomorrow, sure, I could see the urgency. But he's not. Maybe not at all this season. Current injuries shouldn't/wouldn't do anything to push them into making a trade would it?

For Vegas, if enough major players are knocked out, they could just write off the season and acquire Eichel with plans to start next season fresh.