[News] Flames to pick 6th in 2016 draft

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The more I read the more I think Tkachuk is our guy and there is a relatively high chance he will be available at that spot. I think Dubois goes 4 if the Oilers pick a forward and the Canucks pick a Dman. If the Oilers pick a Dman I suspect the Canucks take Dubois. With Vancouver lacking a top end d prospect I don't see them taking a winger.

Tkachuk seems like a perfect player to pair with Bennett. Both players win battles, compete extremely hard, and play with an edge. Porier could be a good fit for the RW on that line

From the video highlights he does seem like a guy that would fit nicely with Bennett. Bennett really needs someone who complements his elite skills. Average/ above average players can't be the best thing Bennett's development in the long term. Adding secondary scoring would help.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

Elite players drafted top3 overall:
Crosby
Kane
Ovechkin
Doughty
Malkin
Tavares
Toews
Stamkos
Seguin
Thornton
McDavid
Hall?

Elite players from outside top3 OA
Karlsson
Benn
Bergeron
Kopitar
Keith
Pavelski
Perry
Getzlaff
Kesler
Johnson
Giroux
Subban
Gaudreau?
Kuznetsov?

Maybe not a complete list, but the chances of drafting or acquiring two elite players without a top 3 are slim to nil. Anaheim managed to do it in the deep 2003 draft. I'll eat crow if St. Louis manages to win the Cup this year, but even they had a first overall somewhat recently.

Yes, acquiring elite players usually happens in the top 3. However, you'll note that the bolded are all the "elite players" who have never won a Stanley Cup. In fact, if your theory holds true, you need to have more than 1 elite player on the same team in order to have a chance at a cup. That's plausible I suppose, but clearly, drafting in the top 3 isn't the best way to get those elite players, and it certainly doesn't guarantee getting as Stanley Cup. I think I know what you're trying to say, but you're making a terrible argument in support of it.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

Basically every team that wins the cup has a top-3 pick. No it doesn't guarantee anything but it's the only way to be a legit contender.

You got a lot of bashing for this post, but noone seemed to bother to explain the reason
Yes basically every team that wins the cup has a top 3 pick playing for them. However, nearly every team, cup winner or not, has a former top 3 pick. It is generally common for teams to have top 3 picks on their roster. Assuming that top 3 pick plays about 15 seasons (Nash, Lehtonen and Bouwmeester from 2002 are still around and will play next season), there are 45 top 3 picks on average on any given year. Which means that there are 1.5 top 3 picks for each team. Hence, almost all teams, both cup winners and bottom dwellers have a top 3 picks on the roster. Current Flames team be one of the few without one.

[MrMastodonFarm]

It hasn't been explained because it's ludicrous panicky nonsense. Bennett was picked 4th in 2014, if the Flames had the 3rd pick that year, odds are they go with the same player.

This third overall threshold is silly. They've picked 4th, they picked 6th and knocker it out of the park, and they're going to get a legitimately quality player at six this year.

Just hoping the Oilers go with a defencemen at four, getting Dubois at six.. Please.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by Par

I am sorry, just a little bit down, I spent a lot of time, watching Matthews and Fins highlights.

It looks like Sean Monahan, is having fun at the expense of the Leafs and Matthews, number 5 is funny LOL

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/t...ackets-oilers/

That's why I didn't watch any highlights. Not until I know which spot we're picking. It's especially sad for people hyped for a Finn

[iloveicedhockey]

I'm ok with how it turned out. Having no luck as a sports fan for 32 years, I wasn't expecting that to change now (having only adopted the flames a few years back after landing in Calgary). We have two, maybe three picks in the top 35 or so of an apparently deep draft, one of which in this '2nd tier' so I'm putting faith in the management and scouting to so their jobs. Things are looking good, and we should perhaps want good management, scouting and development more than we do a lottery pick.

[Samonadreau]

If we landed 6th and the oilers and canucks landed 1-2, than I'd be pretty choked. We're out, there out so let's land the BPA at #6 and go kick some butt.

[devo22]

Pretty sure either Edmonton or Vancouver will take a defenseman, so either Tkachuk or Dubois should be there at 6 ... so I'm not too disappointed with the result yesterday. Both Oilers and Canucks missing top 3 definitely lessened the blow of dropping down to 6, that's for sure.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

what would make you think we've seen the best of gaudreau and monahan?

Or Brodie and Hamilton? The Flames also have a good supply of defence prospects who will play or be turned into forwards via trade. Plus Shinkaruk has promise, as does Jankowski and Mangiapane.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

It hasn't been explained because it's ludicrous panicky nonsense. Bennett was picked 4th in 2014, if the Flames had the 3rd pick that year, odds are they go with the same player.

This third overall threshold is silly. They've picked 4th, they picked 6th and knocker it out of the park, and they're going to get a legitimately quality player at six this year.

Yup. I suppose it's human nature to desperately want things to be quantifiable, but this "must have a top 3 pick on the team" is just plain silly. It's like when I was a kid and had a gap between my two front teeth, and so I believed this meant I would never get cancer, because while I had known people who had cancer and other people who had a gap between their teeth, I didn't know a single person who had both.

Like someone else mentioned, every team to win the Cup in the last 20 years has also been located South of the border. Does this mean we'll never see a Canadian team win the Cup again?

[Demaeon]

I think the choice is simple. Pick Taro Tsujimoto and start the tank ASAP.

[Galakanokis]

People really getting worked up over this. It's a piece to add to the overall picture. Sure it is nice to add the shiniest piece but if you don't doesn't mean the picture will suck.

You could argue the Flames have been extremely lucky in the past number of drafts landing Bennett, Monahan, Gaudreau and Brodie. Arguably top 3 talents if drafted again.

Get another good piece and continue to build. Still lots of work to do, one player current change that.

[dissentowner]

Let's also keep in mind that the Flames have a lot of picks in this draft. Like BT said, they are currency. It is possible that not only can we get a good player at 6 but possibly trade some of those picks to get another player in the top 15.

[oldschoolcalgary]

well, the day after, thinking that one out of the group of:

Dubois
Tkachuk
Nylander
Jouolevi
Sergachev
Chychrun
Keller
Jost
Brown
Bean

will be a Flame is pretty exciting. Certainly, everyone of them has flaws - that's why they in the next tier. That said, there's a lot of talent in that group, lots of skill.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if one of the players from this grouping turn out to be almost as good as the top group.

ugh... the TSN Matthews drumbeat begins this morning...

[Wolfman]

I'm going with Alex Nylander, skilled RW that this team lacks and desperately needs. Tkachuk is a close second as he is a gritty guy with skill.

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by Par

I am sorry, just a little bit down, I spent a lot of time, watching Matthews and Fins highlights.

It looks like Sean Monahan, is having fun at the expense of the Leafs and Matthews, number 5 is funny LOL

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/t...ackets-oilers/

Another thing in the article is that both Edmonton and Calgary would look at trading their picks. Edmonton make sense but Calgary trading their pick seems at odds with what Treliving has been saying.

[Sylvanfan]

Part of getting a good player in a draft spot like 6 can be having the teams in front of you whiff on the guy they select. Edmonton and Vancouver are the types of team most likely to leave the better player on the board for the Flames.

[dammage79]

The more I look at this draft, the more I want the Flames to trade down. They could get an extra 3rd or even 2nd round pick even dropping down to #8. COL desperately needs D men too so they might play the bidding game to get up and get either the pick of the D men litter of one of the last. I feel like they'd pay a pretty penny for Sergachev or Juolevi types.

[FlatLandFlamesFan]

I'll thank the hockey gods the top 3 are going out east (screw u Dedmonton!)

and the odds were correct (Damn u Math!)

So as it stands we'll get a good young player ,more likely the year after he is drafted.
On the plus side we get a month of great debate who we'll pick or who'll be left to us at 6


Wait Mathews went to T.O. ! what happens now Mats , Tie , and Wendel all get him on group chat and "Messier" him !
I lived thru the Gretzky hype then Crosby , then McJesus , but this is going to be the end of me going to TSN,etc for news.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The more I look at this draft, the more I want the Flames to trade down. They could get an extra 3rd or even 2nd round pick even dropping down to #8. COL desperately needs D men too so they might play the bidding game to get up and get either the pick of the D men litter of one of the last. I feel like they'd pay a pretty penny for Sergachev or Juolevi types.

i don't think this happens though.

Normally, i'd agree with the strategy, however, Treliving has publicly stated the Flames see two shelves: 1-3 and 4-6. If nothing happens on the ice to change that board, i don't think they move out of the 6 spots because they believe there's a talent drop off after the top 6