I just want to have the flames be a contender and this was likely our best chance to get a difference maker. We will be in mid-table obscurity for the next five years unless something amazing happens.
The Flames drafted a difference maker in the 4th round a few years ago.
I get that it would be nice to have landed a Laine or Matthews today, but it doesn't mean the Flames are screwed. Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett, Brodie, Hamilton.......a few pieces here and there (ie. a goalie) and plus whoever they get at 6 this year.....I dunno, the future looks pretty bright to me.
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The mere suggestion that picking sixth in this one draft will relegate the Flames to mediocrity is just stupid. This is a team with unbelievable offensive firepower in Johnny and Sean, great potential in Sam and some of our other prospects, a very good defense corps, and not to mention, a new stud player at 6.
We need a goalie. That's vital. However, losing this draft won't doom us to obscurity. We are NOT the Oilers. Lottery wins are not our sustenance.
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Both those teams had top 3 picks, they werent drafted by Detroit though. They also had the second greatest defenceman of all time, so there's a chance we could draft somebody like that, but it's probably like one in five thousand.
So your saying that picking Top 3 is crucial, but there are lots of things that can occur to make it not crucial. Got it.
The more I read the more I think Tkachuk is our guy and there is a relatively high chance he will be available at that spot. I think Dubois goes 4 if the Oilers pick a forward and the Canucks pick a Dman. If the Oilers pick a Dman I suspect the Canucks take Dubois. With Vancouver lacking a top end d prospect I don't see them taking a winger.
Tkachuk seems like a perfect player to pair with Bennett. Both players win battles, compete extremely hard, and play with an edge. Porier could be a good fit for the RW on that line
Tkachuk and Dubois are our guys at this point IMO. Both would be great fits with Bennett. Those saying Tkachuk is a product of Marner well if he gets to play with Bennett then he can be a product of him
Marner is great, but from the limited highlights I have seen of Tkachuk, Tkachuk seems to make a lot of plays to Marner and vice versa. He does remind me of Bennett, and has a fillthy shot and shoots at the same place that Cammalleri shoots. What surprises me the most is his playmaking ability.
Maybe not a complete list, but the chances of drafting or acquiring two elite players without a top 3 are slim to nil. Anaheim managed to do it in the deep 2003 draft. I'll eat crow if St. Louis manages to win the Cup this year, but even they had a first overall somewhat recently.
But the blues do have a top 3 pick on their team now, the one and only Jay Bouwmeester!!! Every time I hear his name, I'm filled with the nostalgia of his 3.5 seasons with us where we were a powerhouse contender year in and year out. I agree that it won't be until we have a player of his ilk again that we will be anything more than mediocre.
This from Jim Matheson from the Edmonton Journal. It's interesting to note that Chiarelli is lumping Tkachuk Dubois and Brown in the second tier. Have to wonder if we are Doing same and these guys are the next ledge.
At No. 4, the Oilers have several choices. Forwards at that position seem more likely than defencemen, but you never know.
“I’ve heard people say ‘how could you take a defenceman at No. 4?’ I don’t understand the logic behind that. D are very important players,” said Chiarelli. “There’s four or five players in the next group and any one of them could be a top six forward or a top four defenceman. Sure, we could move back (to six, seven, eight?).”
If they kept the pick, they could select former NHL great Keith Tkachuk’s son Matt, a power forward like his old man who plays junior for the London Knights (57 games, 107 points, 33 points in 16 playoff games). He could be in the Memorial Cup in Red Deer, which would give the Oilers another good look at him.
“He loves the front of the net, the traffic areas. He’s strong on the puck, protects it really well in hard areas,” said Chiarelli. “He’s not the same type of power player his dad was, but he’s one of the smartest players in the draft.”
Quebec Major Junior Hockey League forward Pierre-Luc Dubois (6-foot-3 and 202 pounds, 62 games, 99 points, 112 penalty minutes in Cape Breton) can play centre or the wing.
“I think he’s a (NHL) winger. He’s a big, strong kid. Those two are probably (biggest) … but there’s Logan Brown, too (Windsor). (Former NHLer) Jeff Brown’s boy. He had a great second half (playing for ex-Oilers assistant coach Rocky Thompson). We’ll take the best player, but fortunately, there are really good players in the next group who are really big,” said Chiarelli.
Flames take Nylander because he's a right handed shot and they can afford to send him down for another year or two for him to bulk up. The Flames are planning on putting a contending roster together for the 2017-18 season anyhow, once Bollig, Wideman, Engelland, and Smid come off the books. Next season is just the transition year to be a playoff bubble team. Chances are the line-up will look something like this:
Elite players from outside top3 OA
Karlsson
Benn
Bergeron
Kopitar
Keith
Pavelski
Perry
Getzlaff
Kesler
Johnson
Giroux
Subban
Gaudreau?
Kuznetsov?
Maybe not a complete list, but the chances of drafting or acquiring two elite players without a top 3 are slim to nil. Anaheim managed to do it in the deep 2003 draft. I'll eat crow if St. Louis manages to win the Cup this year, but even they had a first overall somewhat recently.
so if your logic holds, why on earth would anyone trade a top three pick?
its a non starter, so i am not sure what exactly you are advocating?
Flames take Nylander because he's a right handed shot and they can afford to send him down for another year or two for him to bulk up. The Flames are planning on putting a contending roster together for the 2017-18 season anyhow, once Bollig, Wideman, Engelland, and Smid come off the books. Next season is just the transition year to be a playoff bubble team. Chances are the line-up will look something like this:
Marner is great, but from the limited highlights I have seen of Tkachuk, Tkachuk seems to make a lot of plays to Marner and vice versa. He does remind me of Bennett, and has a fillthy shot and shoots at the same place that Cammalleri shoots. What surprises me the most is his playmaking ability.
Jost
Dubois
Nylander
Brown
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Just for fun, can you please post the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Winnipeg a Jets lineups for the future? Thank you.
I just can't do that right now, I am so upset, I am going to have to cry myself to sleep, I wanted a top 3 pick so bad.
Sulking about it won't change the fact we draft sixth. I'm sure everyone had their moment but that's come and gone. We'll still get a good player no matter what.
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I just can't do that right now, I am so upset, I am going to have to cry myself to sleep, I wanted a top 3 pick so bad.
Really?
I might cry a little bit if the Flames lost the Stanley Cup in game 7. Maybe if they won in game 7, too.
But the Flames dropped one inconsequential spot in the draft order. They will still choose an excellent player with this pick.
This really is no big deal. There is no need to be upset, nor is there any need to tank any seasons as a result. You just continue calling more attention to yourself, which is not contributing to a healthy discussion here.
Not trying to be mean or rude, here. Just clean it up.
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I didn't like the Nylander we had playing for us in the "young guns" days. He was soft and ineffective, though very skilled. I hope we don't wind up with another.
Flames take Nylander because he's a right handed shot and they can afford to send him down for another year or two for him to bulk up. The Flames are planning on putting a contending roster together for the 2017-18 season anyhow, once Bollig, Wideman, Engelland, and Smid come off the books. Next season is just the transition year to be a playoff bubble team. Chances are the line-up will look something like this:
Giordano - Brodie
Kylington - Hamilton
Jokipakka/Hickey - Andersson
That's a very young lineup that's lacking a lot of size. They'd get crushed playing playoff hockey against the teams in the West. Not to mention, 12 (!!) of the players you list would be playing their first 1-2 seasons in the NHL in 2017/18. Ignoring the fact that it's incredibly unlikely every one of those prospects pans out...let's please not go down the route of the Oilers where we dump all our veterans and only play young skilled players before they're ready.
