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[ken0042]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

In a world with a dwindling supply of living people, I would suggest young people are very useful

That's my thing. We keep seeing fewer and fewer women, and at some point you are going to need people to be able to re-populate society. Lizzie was at an age where there is still plenty of time to turn the world around before you start looking at that; but still old enough to be able to remember what the world was like before hand.

My solution would be to tie up Mica and let her turn. Then let Lizzie see how the turned Mica was nothing like the old Mica. Tyreese still could use some time to heal, and you could lock up Lizzie at night to keep Judith safe. When Lizzie's father died, she couldn't put him down before he turned. Somebody else had to. So she has quite likely never seen somebody she loves turn.

Hershel also thought the people were just sick- he had to have the shock of seeing his family shot up before he accepted it. Is it really so far fetched to think a 12 year old kid would also not be able to accept it either?

The main thing- there was no pressing need to leave the house. In fact it was one of the best places they found in a while; with sustainable and renewable resources.

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Originally Posted by ken0042

That's my thing. We keep seeing fewer and fewer women, and at some point you are going to need people to be able to re-populate society. Lizzie was at an age where there is still plenty of time to turn the world around before you start looking at that; but still old enough to be able to remember what the world was like before hand.

My solution would be to tie up Mica and let her turn. Then let Lizzie see how the turned Mica was nothing like the old Mica. Tyreese still could use some time to heal, and you could lock up Lizzie at night to keep Judith safe. When Lizzie's father died, she couldn't put him down before he turned. Somebody else had to. So she has quite likely never seen somebody she loves turn.

Hershel also thought the people were just sick- he had to have the shock of seeing his family shot up before he accepted it. Is it really so far fetched to think a 12 year old kid would also not be able to accept it either?

The main thing- there was no pressing need to leave the house. In fact it was one of the best places they found in a while; with sustainable and renewable resources.

I don't see that as a viable option either. Did you see her playing tag with that zombie in the yard? She swore she heard the zombie talked and wanted to be her friend. And she seemed quite willing to be bit. Even if Mika (Miikka? ) was tied up and gnashing at her, she would probably still cut her loose and try playing with her. She would just end up getting bit and turned anyway.

Really the argument comes down to whether or not Lizzie was too far gone to come back from her craziness. You argue that she isn't. I would argue (and apparently Tyrese and Carol agree with the shooting and the killing) that she was in fact too far gone.

[ClubFlames]

Agree with ken0042 that there was no need to leave the house. They could have survived there for a little while atleast.

It was a shocking episode for sure. Lizzie was just twisted and it was cringe worthy to see her try to kill Judith in an episode earlier and then do the unthinkable to Mica. I don't know what I would do if I was in Carol/Tyrese's shoes to "discipline" Lizzie since she they both really tried to make her understand that the zombies are not people who are just "different".

Also on a side note, if possible can we change the thread title to The Walking Dead TV Talk only, everytime I see the title it reminds of me of how super annoying Bertuzzied was.

[Aeneas]

Liked that episode very much. Best of the season for me. Still "must watch TV" for me, though have found this season less engaging.

I think things started to go downhill when one of the lesbians got shot in the head. Never kill off the lesbians!

[MrMastodonFarm]

Did I miss something, why was the stove and oven working?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Did I miss something, why was the stove and oven working?

I know some rural properties here run on large propane tanks. It is clear from the condition of the property that it had not been looted.

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Originally Posted by ClubFlames

Agree with ken0042 that there was no need to leave the house. They could have survived there for a little while atleast.

It was a shocking episode for sure. Lizzie was just twisted and it was cringe worthy to see her try to kill Judith in an episode earlier and then do the unthinkable to Mica. I don't know what I would do if I was in Carol/Tyrese's shoes to "discipline" Lizzie since she they both really tried to make her understand that the zombies are not people who are just "different".

Also on a side note, if possible can we change the thread title to The Walking Dead TV Talk only, everytime I see the title it reminds of me of how super annoying Bertuzzied was.

Oh yeah you can totally argue that survival is of the utmost importance of course. But still, I'm not sure I'd want to stay in a place where I had bury two little girls because I had to shoot one in the head for going over the edge and killed her sister either. Even in a zombie apocalypse, that just wouldn't sit well.

[trackercowe]

You can't leave Lizzie alive and have her be around the baby. The minute they turned their backs on her she probably would have either killed Judith to see if she turned, or fed it to a walker. I know Lizzie was still a child, but I think at this point she was pretty much beyond help in that environment. She took the life of her sister, even though Carol did everything in her power to explain to her the reality of the situation they were facing these past few months. Sure children that young can be rehabilitated, but in that environment it just wasn't worth the risk.

It's kind of strange that now everyone that came from Woodbury at the end of last season is now dead. It sort of parallels the tail section from Lost in a way, in that in the end bringing in this new group played such a small role in the series. Kind of makes much of last season seem somewhat pointless in a way. At least someone from the tail section did survive the entire series of Lost (he just didn't do a whole lot).

It was pretty much the Old Yeller situation, where Lizzie was rabid and needed to be put down.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I know some rural properties here run on large propane tanks. It is clear from the condition of the property that it had not been looted.

Thought of that immediately after posting. Probably it.

[puckluck2]

So watched 3 seasons in about a week and a half and I am slowly losing interest. A good show but man did they really get lazy with the story line.

[onetwo_threefour]

I don't thonk anybody's mentioned it, but Lizzie was displaying many of the classic symptoms of psychopathy. The torturing of animals, emotional disconnectedness, and especially in this last episode her lack of understanding of why Carol would really be mad? As well as the fact that she used her sister as a tool to prove a theory are all signs of psychopathy and I've seen this developing all the way back to the prison. They basically took the diagnostic criteria right out of the DSM in writing Lizzie's character.

Makes you wonder if Lizzie is a reference to Lizzie Borden...

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[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

So watched 3 seasons in about a week and a half and I am slowly losing interest. A good show but man did they really get lazy with the story line.

There were definitely some clear issues with the third season. For some reason they chose not to kill the Governor then and have the prison dispersed by the end of that season. That being said I feel like the new writers did a solid job of rebuilding him as Brian before taking him and the prison out. Or as least they did as good as they could with what they were given.

And as I said before, with the group being dispersed, you have to think of this section as a series of short stories prior to (in all likelihood) the reunion at Terminus. Some are bound to suck and some are bound to be good. This last episode definitely falls into the "good" category.

[calgarywinning]

Lizzie was a psychopath. They showed the evolvement of somebody with this disease at the outset in a world where it clearly would not come to a good outcome.

I thought the crux of the episode was the understanding and forgiveness, given the harshness of the world that Tyrone and Carol had for their immediate and past situations. She slid the gun across to him and said I realize what I must do, do you realize what you must do.

They have to judge and execute the girl because she does not have the skills to survive. Neither of the two girls and the baby did not have the ability to survive.

Tyrone could not understand why the sick people were killed up until this point. Carol had to kill the sick people because they put everyone at risk. The healing point is the forgiveness of the past act, the current act and the future acts.

It was a strangely eery and good episode.

[old-fart]

I thought it was an excellent episode. Very moving and provided lots of answers (for those that hadn't already figured out who was feeding the zombies at the prison).

Lizzie was absolutely a psychopath. She tortured and killed animals, heard the zombies talking to her, had no empathy, and no understanding of what she had done wrong.

Carol has transformed from a victim who was married to a wife beater, to a mother distraught over her missing daughter, to a bad ass that does whatever she thinks is required for "the good of the group" - although we learned in this episode that while she may appear cold, doing that "whatever needs doing" is hard on her emotionally - yet she does it anyway. Did Tyrees kill Lizzie... no, Carol had to do it. I think the episode was about the two girls somewhat (not just Carol and Tyrees). One was a gentle kid who didn't want to hurt anyone, much like Carol's daughter Sophie. The other was batcrap cray cray - a very interesting dichotomy that posed an interesting dilemma. I personally don't think you could leave her alive. She was a psychopath with access to weapons, and as Carol says you do what you need to do.

For those complaining about the overall story - you do realize this is based on a graphic novel right? While not directly scene for scene, it is following the general story line along fairly well with a few twists thrown in. I could have told you a half season ago that Lizzie was going to kill Mika at some point and wait until she came back - and I knew as soon as someone had fed a zombie a rat who it was. I could have told you the Governor was going to bring a tank to the prison. I could tell you what I think they will find at Terminus (although I don't believe that's in the graphic novel specifically).

Some of the episodes have definitely been very slow, and certainly some of the acting could be better... and the guns don't kick as much as maybe they would in real life, and yes everybody seems to be a better shot than is realistic... but it's a show about freaking zombies. If they wanted accuracy in a zombie show, then a new religion should be starting up after each "resurrection".

[habernac]

I just caught up on the last three episodes, enjoyed them. Loved the fog scene, they did a very good job filming that. I really thought it was going to be Carol that bit the dust last night when she told Tyreese the truth.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I know some rural properties here run on large propane tanks. It is clear from the condition of the property that it had not been looted.

Yeah it would have had to run on propane tanks which is plausible if the property was left alone.

[Erick Estrada]

One thing that isn't touched on with the show is how northerners would have fared in the outbreak in the winters where they would need fire for heat. Also I imagine the walkers would completely freeze at sub zero temperatures making travel relatively safe outdoors in the cold. Maybe the northern territories would be the place to be.

[DuffMan]

They should've kept the kid for bait or diversion, just keep her hands tied and feed her a little.

[ken0042]

That has to be the coldest thing I have ever heard. OK- maybe killing her was the only real option (I'm still not convinced.) However to give her some sort of cruel, painful, and/or prolonged death; I would submit that is even more psychotic than what Lizzie was showing.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by ken0042

That has to be the coldest thing I have ever heard. OK- maybe killing her was the only real option (I'm still not convinced.) However to give her some sort of cruel, painful, and/or prolonged death; I would submit that is even more psychotic than what Lizzie was showing.

The big problem is, how can you trust her at all? She has it in her mind that walkers aren't what everyone is else seeing, and she's consistently intensified her efforts to show she's right. Combine that with her sadistic dismemberment of small animals and you have the 12 year old equivalent of a loose cannon.

I can't see another option given the world they are in.