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[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Man that was pretty twisted stuff. The whole child killing a child thing...I never would have thought they could air such stuff on TV. But yeah that was an intense episode.

I actually liked Lizzy as a character, simply because it's crazy to consider a child being that psychotic. Hearing zombie's voices... Knifing your own sister... leaving Judith there to be eaten by zombified Mika. Just bat**** crazy.

[gottabekd]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

They speculated about that on the talking dead, there was no definite answer but I would say it is. Beth and Darryl came across the rabbit Lizzy mangled, so I would say it's safe to assume it's the same fire.

Yea, I was surprised this was even a question. I assumed it was just a wink at the viewers, making sure we see that the timelines are in sync, and the splintered groups really aren't that far away from each other.

I do like the suggestion that we get to replay the events in the house with Rick from Daryl's point of view. Daryl will come across items he recognizes, piece it together that Rick and Carl were there recently... and who knows. Would be good, but I'm guessing they have to work in the whole Beth kidnapping thing, and only two episodes left with a lot of threads to tie together.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It was a good episode but I can't help but feel it was unnecessary having the sister kill the other and have Carol put her down. I did feel the older girl's character was pretty annoying and I won't miss that character but it was just maybe a little over the top.

I don't know if I like the way the episodes have played out solely with one group as it's been weeks since we have seen Rick and while the back story for some of the characters is good it would be nice to get back to more balanced episodes involving all or most of the characters.

I think everything was completely necessary to achieve the ultimate goal which was have Tyrese forgive Carol when he found out she killed Karen.

These events gave Tyrese a chance to see how much it devastated Carol to do it, even though she was doing it because it was what she felt was "right". Which opened the door for his forgiveness because he now knows she feels as bad about it as he does.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Despite some dreadful acting by the kids that was a powerful, show-altering episode. Even more so than Lori's death. Kind of an entirely new tone set for the series.

The kids were fine. Again, people always just picking something to complain about. Great episode and overall the acting was some of the best. Carol for sure had some of the best acting of the season. The kids were not fantastic, but they are kids and acted as such. Including one being bat-shat crazy.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Igster

The kids were fine. Again, people always just picking something to complain about. Great episode and overall the acting was some of the best. Carol for sure had some of the best acting of the season. The kids were not fantastic, but they are kids and acted as such. Including one being bat-shat crazy.

Alright. Seems like I had a legitimate gripe if you acknowledge the same issue by contradicting your objection.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Alright. Seems like I had a legitimate gripe if you acknowledge the same issue by contradicting your objection.

Since when does fine equal fantastic?

There's no contradiction.

They were okay. Not great.

[undercoverbrother]

One problem I had with the show was the ending. Carol opens the fence and they walk through. She does not turn and close the fence, maintaining what little perimeter there is for that property. It would seem to me that even if you don't intend on going back there, you would try to do what you could to maintain the integrity of the place just incase you did get forced back there. By not closing the fence back up it is a lot eaiser for walkers to get in and stroll around. Nit picky issue I guess, because I really enjoyed he episode. I thought it did a good job of holding a high level of tension throughout the 60 mins.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

One problem I had with the show was the ending. Carol opens the fence and they walk through. She does not turn and close the fence, maintaining what little perimeter there is for that property. It would seem to me that even if you don't intend on going back there, you would try to do what you could to maintain the integrity of the place just incase you did get forced back there. By not closing the fence back up it is a lot eaiser for walkers to get in and stroll around. Nit picky issue I guess, because I really enjoyed he episode. I thought it did a good job of holding a high level of tension throughout the 60 mins.

I would imagine that was symbolic, just like the walker on the tracks that they walked away from.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I think everything was completely necessary to achieve the ultimate goal which was have Tyrese forgive Carol when he found out she killed Karen.

These events gave Tyrese a chance to see how much it devastated Carol to do it, even though she was doing it because it was what she felt was "right". Which opened the door for his forgiveness because he now knows she feels as bad about it as he does.

Maybe but I just found it overly cold to have a sister murder the other just to justify Carol's actions in the prison. To cultivate those girls over two seasons as characters only to off them just to make it so Tyrese and Carol could logically co-exist in future episodes.

The show really should talk to some people that have fired a gun as if they are going to have kids fire guns they should add some semblance of realism in that there is recoil and of course there's also the kids not only firing off multiple shots with no recoil but the dreaded video game head shots. If I've learned anything from this show it is that after a zombie apocalypse everyone becomes sharp shooters even little kids.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Ped

I would imagine that was symbolic, just like the walker on the tracks that they walked away from.

I wonder if leaving him will come back later on. For example, another group is following the tracks to Terminus. They see the zombie and think it's left as a warning not to go any further.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Alright. Seems like I had a legitimate gripe if you acknowledge the same issue by contradicting your objection.

Exactly as another poster mentioned above, they were not fantastic, but they were fine. I think calling them dreadful was over the top and just something to complain about.

Besides, the show wasn't about the girls really. It was about the reality of the apocalypse and who Carol has become and the relationship between Carol and Tyreese. The girls were simply fodder to help that story line along.

Originally Posted by speede5

That was something, good episode, still think things are dragging a bit, really want the group back together and see what this Terminus is all about.

Same with this. Good episode, but you want things to move faster? You're supposed to want to know what Terminus is about, but you're not going to know in two seconds. It's called building a story arc.

It's funny. All people did (and I'm not saying you) was complain that the show was boring when they were all together on the farm or in the prison. Now that they are separated and we are learning more about the characters than ever before, people want to rush them into getting back together. Patience Danielson...

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Ped

Since when does fine equal fantastic?

There's no contradiction.

They were okay. Not great.

It's more about acknowledging their mediocre performance within the context of the episode, which is really all I'm getting it. I concede that the adjectives aren't equivalent, kinda glossed that over to make my point. My bad. But yes, there is a slight contradiction in asserting that they were fine while admitting their lack of talent.

Their performance took away from the impact I know the showrunners were going for. However, Melissa McBride's talent almost made up for it.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The show really should talk to some people that have fired a gun as if they are going to have kids fire guns they should add some semblance of realism in that there is recoil and of course there's also the kids not only firing off multiple shots with no recoil but the dreaded video game head shots. If I've learned anything from this show it is that after a zombie apocalypse everyone becomes sharp shooters even little kids.

What perfect sharpshooters? Both kids had several shots not hit the head.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by ken0042

I wonder if leaving him will come back later on. For example, another group is following the tracks to Terminus. They see the zombie and think it's left as a warning not to go any further.

Or another group is walking along in the dark on the tracks and BAM.

I get why they do it (weariness) but leaving walkers around is a bad idea. Just ask Dale.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Igster

Exactly as another poster mentioned above, they were not fantastic, but they were fine. I think calling them dreadful was over the top and just something to complain about.

Besides, the show wasn't about the girls really. It was about the reality of the apocalypse and who Carol has become and the relationship between Carol and Tyreese. The girls were simply fodder to help that story line along.

Or it is a subjective and qualitative opinion.

The show was absolutely about the girls as much as it was reality in the apocalypse. Even if the young characters were a tool to tell the larger story then the tool needs to work properly to get the message out. I got the message, but it wasn't as powerful as it could have been if there had been a better performance out of the kids.

I don't understand why and others' objections are just hastily disregarded as unqualified complaining. We can enjoy the show and critique it at the same time.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Or it is a subjective and qualitative opinion.

The show was absolutely about the girls as much as it was reality in the apocalypse. Even if the young characters were a tool to tell the larger story then the tool needs to work properly to get the message out. I got the message, but it wasn't as powerful as it could have been if there had been a better performance out of the kids.

I don't understand why and others' objections are just hastily disregarded as unqualified complaining. We can enjoy the show and critique it at the same time.

And I agreed they were not great, but they are kids. I thought as kid actors, they were as good as required. I guess the point about complaining is the fact that the episode was strong, gut wrenching and something we really haven't seen on TV before and one of the first posts I read is how dreadful the acting was by the girls. Just seems like unnecessary complaining. I again, thought they were fine for who they were and what their role was.

[Hockeyguy15]

Some people here need to just look at the flowers

[DuffMan]

Did they have the baby with them when they left?

[Hessen]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Did they have the baby with them when they left?

The baby was in Tyres's backpack under the blanket.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Igster

And I agreed they were not great, but they are kids. I thought as kid actors, they were as good as required. I guess the point about complaining is the fact that the episode was strong, gut wrenching and something we really haven't seen on TV before and one of the first posts I read is how dreadful the acting was by the girls. Just seems like unnecessary complaining. I again, thought they were fine for who they were and what their role was.

While I agree that the show took a dark and interesting turn last night, and was one of the more emotionally powerful segments in the series, I was distracted by what has generally been poor performances by Sarbino and Kenedy. I have seen numerous performances by actors of their age and many are much better than what I saw last night. Lizzie pleading with Carol about how sorry she was just looked, well, kind of ridiculous. It wasn't convincing, and I felt it took away from the impact of the scene and the episode as a whole. That is just one example.

With that reasoning, the "complaining" is not unnecessary at all, as the goal of any program is to entertain the viewer. That performance diminished my enjoyment, and it is a rational complaint to have.

Look, I get it, sometimes it seems like people only come in here to attack a show you obviously like and enjoy. I like the show too, but not as much as I did 2 years ago and it is showing in my posting habits. Frankly, I'm going to critique the show when I feel it isn't achieving my standards (which are only different, not better, than anyone else's). I don't mind debating my points, but I don't see how they should be labeled as complaining for the sake of it.