2025 Toronto Blue Jays Season Thread

[ben voyonsdonc]

How about the ERA and WHIP?

I don’t if the first thing he did upon being traded to the Jays was to kick your dog or something but you seem to enjoy watching him struggle. It helps you feed your schtick.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Prove it?

Already linked the sea of blue.


On a more positive note, Varland pitching the way Varland looked like he was going too. I am beyond happy with that.

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I don’t if the first thing he did upon being traded to the Jays was to kick your dog or something but you seem to enjoy watching him struggle. It helps you feed your schtick.

I really don't like watching it. It frustrates me to no end. And I will call myself out and give him his plaudits when he is doing well consistently (three years ago as an example). But outside of that he has not looked good on a consistent basis. That it is the same thing every year, more often than not, I wish the team would look for someone else which I admit is much easier said than done.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Sweet, glad the team shows up for him. He looks like ####, he's butt pucker time when he's on the mound and the stats back that up.


He's get an average WAR of slightly above 2 but is below 2 if you only include full seasons with the Jays.


You guys sound like Mid 2000s Canucks fans arguing Cloutier is a fine starter because he wins 30 games a year and only elite goalies do that every season.


Both the eye test and the underlying metrics back that up. His one trait is that he can pitch a lot without needing much rest.

His WAR is right around 2.5 for the last 3 years

Not sure why you are going back to his disasterous year with the Jays 4 seasons ago

Everyone would agree that was a horrible season

[SportsJunky]

Oh jeez.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

On a more positive note, Varland pitching the way Varland looked like he was going to. I am beyond happy with that.

…until he has a bad outing and you’ll be racing to the forum to bury him and call to ship him back to the Twins.

[Locke]

Does anyone actually want to win this game??

[Blaster86]

I've been pretty consistently only on Berrios and that's essentially since day one since I felt the price paid was too much, though I was very wrong about that in hindsight.

Originally Posted by Jason14h

His WAR is right around 2.5 for the last 3 years

Not sure why you are going back to his disasterous year with the Jays 4 seasons ago

Everyone would agree that was a horrible season

Why would I include all his years to get an idea of what type of pitcher he is? Even if I take that season out he's still only at 1.9 WAR/a on Fan Graphs.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Here come the Hoff!

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by Locke

Does anyone actually want to win this game??

The baseball game or bens/blasters argument?

[ben voyonsdonc]

Dominguez’ stuff is so tantalizing but the prospect of him closing games for a playoff team is a very scary one.

Yimi going from an IL stint for a sprained ankle for a slip in the hot tub to needing elbow surgery is one of those mysteries that ultimately really, really hurt the team. Despite not closing games, he is a foundational piece to this bullpen. His seemingly likely return also may have stopped Atkins from further buttressing the pen at the deadline.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

The baseball game or bens/blasters argument?

Hahaha. I’ve made my point and will leave it be. Sorry for the distraction.

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Hahaha. I’ve made my point and will leave it be. Sorry for the distraction.

It’s a good distraction for the bottom half of the innings

[Locke]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

The baseball game or bens/blasters argument?

Either.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Already linked the sea of blue.

I don't know, very few of those stats show actual results.

He's not a guy that's going to overpower you with elite stuff or a 97 MPH fastball, so he's not going to show up great on some of those stats.

But he seems to know how to manage his way through 6 innings and can do it on a consistent basis and eat up innings.

I don't think anybody is saying he's elite, but he's better than how you talk about him.

Ideally he's a 3-4 in a good team, which is what he is right now

[browna]

Reds catcher view obviously when being distracted giving up the passed ball:

[Blaster86]

Not sure Ben or I have anything to be sorry about. We've been keeping you people entertained! Is that not why you're here!?

[browna]

What’s with all the edm and techno between pitches?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by browna

What’s with all the edm and techno between pitches?

Cincy knows what the kids want.

[KelVarnsen]

Oh I’m entertained. My comment was an observation.

[KelVarnsen]

Yay