2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I'd take Konecny over Forsberg.

What about Monahan + Gaudreau for Konency, Couturier, and Myers.
That would be a heck of a shake up haha

Few pages back I proposed Gaudreau+Monahan+Hanifin for Couturier+Konecny+Ghostisbere and it was shot down by a few as being way to much in favor of Calgary.

Personally I prefer your offer much more but I think it is too steep for Philly.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Relax dude no need to get upset when posters bring up Johnny in a trade.

Bringing up Johnny in a trade is fine. If the basis is to improve the team I am even on board. Making things up though like he wants to be out East or that just because his gf is from Philly he will not sign here after he clearly said otherwise is not a reason to suggest moving your all star winger. It drives me nuts when people fudge the facts to fit their agenda.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I like the idea of finding teams that are highly motivated for change and have the assets for a deal: Philly, Buffalo, Florida. Montreal perhaps.

Philly has a ton of things that I would be keen on. Koneczy having a poor playoff potentially gets him on the table, but I doubt you get much more. So what's better long-term, a more sure thing like Koneczy for Johnny 1:1 or a futures based deal such as Myers+Frost+1st.

[the_only_turek_fan]

What is the deal with Nolan Patrick? Have injuries hurt his development significantly?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

What is the deal with Nolan Patrick? Have injuries hurt his development significantly?

Missed an entire year and has missed over a quarter of all eligible junior and pro games in his career.

I would gladly take him as a throw in on a trade with Philly but no way as the main piece.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

What is the deal with Nolan Patrick? Have injuries hurt his development significantly?

Frankly I wasn't sure his upside was ever great, and now you have to be worried about that risk
But I would be good with targeting him as part of a package deal for Johnny.

[SuperMatt18]

The other issue with Nolan Patrick as part of the deal as well is that he's not expansion draft exempt.

So you're taking that risk, and if he has a good season then you also have to protect him which means you aren't protecting somebody else.

So as a bit of a "throw in" he'd be worth it but can't be one of the main components.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I like the idea of finding teams that are highly motivated for change and have the assets for a deal: Philly, Buffalo, Florida. Montreal perhaps.

Philly has a ton of things that I would be keen on. Koneczy having a poor playoff potentially gets him on the table, but I doubt you get much more. So what's better long-term, a more sure thing like Koneczy for Johnny 1:1 or a futures based deal such as Myers+Frost+1st.

I think if the Flames added Konecny for Johnny they would need to add another top end forward to improve the team. If they could still sign Hall and have this top 9

Hall-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Konecny
Dube-Bennett-Mangipane

Probably have to dump Ryan for sure and go bargain shopping on the blueline so assume Valimaki is in the top 4 out of the gate and roll a tandem goalie situation again it could work cap wise

[Monahammer]

If the flyers offered us Myers+Patrick+1st for Johnny I would take that. Would push for Frost instead but I think Patrick could really turn it around in the right circumstances, and with this extended break he has had to right the injuries

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Bringing up Johnny in a trade is fine. If the basis is to improve the team I am even on board. Making things up though like he wants to be out East or that just because his gf is from Philly he will not sign here after he clearly said otherwise is not a reason to suggest moving your all star winger. It drives me nuts when people fudge the facts to fit their agenda.

You call a lot of posts on CP garbage. What did Kurgan say in his post that made it a garbage post?

He said:

• Spends next to no time in Calgary in the off season
• Is super close to his family out East
• Has a nice beach house in Jersey

All of those things are true. There is also the difference on what Gaudreau has said publicly in the media and what he has said to those close to him. I don't think he's the type of guy to demand a trade publicly, nor do I think his agent will act like Frolik's did. However, what he said to his group of people after last year's playoff exit led most of them to think he's not long for Calgary. I hope Johnny chooses to stay in Calgary for another 6-10 years, but at this point I would put a lot more money on him leaving within 2-3. That's just my feeling.

[TheScorpion]

Konecny for Gaudreau makes too much sense.

For Philly:
- Johnny almost definitely re-signs
- he's very cheap until then
- reuniting Gaudreau and Hayes would probably be incredible

For Calgary:
- Konecny is a RHS RW on a good, long contract
- He's younger with good upside, if maybe not 100 points
- Extends the window and creates a new dynamic

Strikes me as another potential Granlund/Fiala situation.

[dammage79]

Patrick, Vorobyov or Rubstov and a pick for Johnny. I think the Flyers do that. They have an insane amount of center depth both short and long term. And Patrick is also RFA. Total Lindholm situation 2.0.

Even if you run patrick at RW and say Hall does sign:

Hall-Monahan-Lindholm/Patrick
Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm/Patrick
Mangiapane-Bennett-Dube
Lucic-Vorobyov-Gawdin or RW like Ryan.

[TheScorpion]

Rubtsov and a pick? Did Philly get a top-5 pick somehow?

Rubtsov had 2 goals in 43 games as a 22-year-old AHLer this year. I don't think he's really a viable prospect at this point.

Edit: unless you meant Patrick and one of those two guys, which makes a lot more sense. But I would rather get someone who doesn't have so many question marks around him. Migraines are such a hard thing to deal with.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Patrick, Vorobyov or Rubstov and a pick for Johnny. I think the Flyers do that. They have an insane amount of center depth both short and long term. And Patrick is also RFA. Total Lindholm situation 2.0.

Even if you run patrick at RW and say Hall does sign:

Hall-Monahan-Lindholm/Patrick
Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm/Patrick
Mangiapane-Bennett-Dube
Lucic-Vorobyov-Gawdin or RW like Ryan.

Falls too far into that "Patrick as the primary piece" territory IMO. Patrick is an add in at this point because of uncertainty.

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Konecny for Gaudreau makes too much sense.

For Philly:
- Johnny almost definitely re-signs
- he's very cheap until then
- reuniting Gaudreau and Hayes would probably be incredible

For Calgary:
- Konecny is a RHS RW on a good, long contract
- He's younger with good upside, if maybe not 100 points
- Extends the window and creates a new dynamic

Strikes me as another potential Granlund/Fiala situation.

Konecky has 0 goals, 4 assists in 13 playoff games. Why would you trade for another weal
k play off performer since you're "getting rid of Johnny" because he doesn't show up in the play offs??? Just asking....

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Patrick, Vorobyov or Rubstov and a pick for Johnny. I think the Flyers do that. They have an insane amount of center depth both short and long term. And Patrick is also RFA. Total Lindholm situation 2.0.

Even if you run patrick at RW and say Hall does sign:

Hall-Monahan-Lindholm/Patrick
Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm/Patrick
Mangiapane-Bennett-Dube
Lucic-Vorobyov-Gawdin or RW like Ryan.

Of course Philly does that. Why do the Flames do that?

[Moneyhands23]

It has to be buffalo if johnny goes. And only if the 1st and Cozens are the 2 big pieces.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

Konecky has 0 goals, 4 assists in 13 playoff games. Why would you trade for another weal
k play off performer since you're "getting rid of Johnny" because he doesn't show up in the play offs??? Just asking....

He's 23 and signed long-term. You trade for him with the expectation that he isn't a fully known quantity. That's why Minnesota traded for Kevin Fiala and Columbus traded for Jones.

Any trade with Gaudreau is going to carry a lot of risk for the Flames, but I think Konecny is far better than what he's shown in these playoffs and he has the ability to be a great fit in Calgary for longer than Johnny might be.

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

He's 23 and signed long-term. You trade for him with the expectation that he isn't a fully known quantity. That's why Minnesota traded for Kevin Fiala and Columbus traded for Jones.

Any trade with Gaudreau is going to carry a lot of risk for the Flames, but I think Konecny is far better than what he's shown in these playoffs and he has the ability to be a great fit in Calgary for longer than Johnny might be.

Konecky is also marginally bigger than Gaudreau. 175 lbs. I get hes a good player but him, a 1st and maybe Nolan? for a proven quantity and a player that'll sell tickets like Gaudreau does?

BTW the Flyers will have $9,000,000 in cap space and only 14 players signed AND they need a goalie and at least one RFA needs a raise. What ever else happens Philly is not taking on cap space.

[TheScorpion]

I mean if you can get Philly to add to Konecny, then great. But I view him as a very valuable asset. 5 years of cost control at a great number ($5.5 million) is extremely valuable. I think he's a sure bet to outperform that contract for every single year of it.

With a package deal involving the likes of Patrick, Hagg, Vorobyov, a 1st, etc., you're transferring a lot of Gaudreau's value into "maybes." But I'd rather have one guy who's already a pretty great thing than three maybes.

If the Flames are high on Konecny, and I can't imagine they aren't, I don't think they'll let not also getting a 1st or a guy like Patrick stand in the way of them pulling the trigger. Getting Konecny alone would be great value for a guy with a contract that's soon to expire. Anything more would be gravy. But I love mashed potatoes even without gravy.