2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[blankall]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Ehhh seems kind of like arguing semantics. If a player can play RW and score 50 goals and 100 points, they’re a top line RW.

Until the playoffs, where the line is easily shut down and falls apart.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Was he not counted against the cap last year?

Ah, sorry. I didn't realize Kylington was already included in our number. It's not as bad as I thought then.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1677065355187896322

God we need to keep Vader and get rid of Markymark.

The Oilerz wrecked him and we have no chance at playoffs if he is our starter.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

The Flames aren’t gonna get Konecny. The Flyers are in tear down mode and are gonna want futures for him. The Flames aren’t in a position to be trading futures

I agree, that's why I mentioned Hanifin. Key is to get some futures for him without taking any cap back and flip them for Konecny. Not likely, but I hope to see it.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

The Flames aren’t gonna get Konecny. The Flyers are in tear down mode and are gonna want futures for him. The Flames aren’t in a position to be trading futures

It can work if it's a 3 way trade. If Pittsburgh is out on Karlson and are still interested in Hanifin. Something like this


To Philly: 2024 1st (Pitts), 2025 2nd, (Pitts), Prospect maybe, Granlund $5M (Cap Dump)


To Pitts: Hanifin

To Calgary: Konecy

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by camm13

It can work if it's a 3 way trade. If Pittsburgh is out on Karlson and are still interested in Hanifin. Something like this


To Philly: 2024 1st (Pitts), 2025 2nd, (Pitts), Prospect maybe, Granlund $5M (Cap Dump)


To Pitts: Hanifin

To Calgary: Konecy

I want what Philly gets

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

God we need to keep Vader and get rid of Markymark.

The Oilerz wrecked him and we have no chance at playoffs if he is our starter.

As bad as Markstrom played, were his numbers still not better than Vladar?

Nevermind, .895 vs .892 (woof to both).

[Reggie Dunlop]

Three goalies with the Flames, and three with the Wranglers.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

As bad as Markstrom played, were his numbers still not better than Vladar?

No. They were slightly worse (GAA and SA%). Vladar's win/loss ratio was quite a bit better, although smaller sample size.

Given their age and last season, I'd run with Vladar over Markstrom. It doesn't matter though. Markstrom has negative trade value.

[Monahammer]

We're the only franchise dumb enough in the NHL to not make room for at least 20 games of wolf next season. Imo our goalies sucked enough last season that the net is realistically wolfs to lose. The other two guys are just eating up money and a roster spot.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

As bad as Markstrom played, were his numbers still not better than Vladar?

Nevermind, .895 vs .892 (woof to both).

But the team scored and played better for Vladar. I mean who wouldn't be deflated knowing that you are going to be trailing after the 1st 2-5 minutes of the 1st period with Markstrom in net.

We would have had over 100 points last year if Vladar played Markstrom's amount of games.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

But the team scored and played better for Vladar. I mean who wouldn't be deflated knowing that you are going to be trailing after the 1st 2-5 minutes of the 1st period with Markstrom in net.

We would have had over 100 points last year if Vladar played Markstrom's amount of games.

Yeah, there are different ways you can dissect things when it comes to Vladar and Markstrom having similar GAA and SA% (Vladar slightly better), yet Vladar having better win/loss results. The first of course is quality of competition. I am too lazy to look at what games Vladar played, but being the back-up, I assume that he was used more for weaker teams. But I also seem to recall that Vladar was used more in the 2nd game of back-to-backs, which would put him at a disadvantage.

I also think it's true that Markstrom would often lose the game early and then turn it up later when it was a moot point. Vladar, while not shutting the door on goals, seemed to be more stable and consistent. His highs weren't as good as Markstrom's, but his lows were not nearly as low either.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

God we need to keep Vader and get rid of Markymark.

The Oilerz wrecked him and we have no chance at playoffs if he is our starter.

I know better but i will bite

How is Vladar in any way a better G than Markstrom?

And if you point to last "year"...i will leave you with this.

From Feb 1 to seasons end

Markstrom was .891 and 2.99

V;adar was .852 and 3.34

Neither was great, but to claim what you are is....as usual...absurd.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I know better but i will bite

How is Vladar in any way a better G than Markstrom?

And if you point to last "year"...i will leave you with this.

From Feb 1 to seasons end

Markstrom was .891 and 2.99

V;adar was .852 and 3.34

Neither was great, but to claim what you are is....as usual...absurd.

Did you even watch any god damn games last year? How many times were we down after the 1st period when our sieve of a goalie started?

Sutter even gave him a break and played him the majority of the games against the worst teams in our conference. He started him 3 times against the Hawks and he had ZERO wins.

Besides you do not deserve to be a Flames goalie when you have the yips against the Oilers.

Just look at their records.
14-6-5 vs 23-21-12

[Strange Brew]

Who was reporting a few weeks ago that Vladar was generating offers of 2nd round pick at worst?

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I know better but i will bite

How is Vladar in any way a better G than Markstrom?

And if you point to last "year"...i will leave you with this.

From Feb 1 to seasons end

Markstrom was .891 and 2.99

V;adar was .852 and 3.34

Neither was great, but to claim what you are is....as usual...absurd.

What was the stat line before Feb 1st though ?

Extrapolating stats is always a dangerous game and often can be manipulated to prove a point. Season is long and I understand where you are coming from but it is pretty safe to view them both from an entire seasons stand point. Vladar started the season significantly better than Markstrom and Markstrom ended the season better than Vladar.

I am completely neutral in this but last season I had a lot more faith in the team winning with Vladar than what I did with Markstrom. Felt like most nights the team was deflated with Markstrom in net.

If it were easy to do (salary implications make it almost impossible) I would look to move Markstrom before I move Vladar.

Vladar is younger, cheaper and seems to be about par today with Markstrom.

I would also without a question of a doubt have Wolf penciled in as the backup.

[FlamesAddiction]

Even more important than how they did last season is how you think they will do in the future. Which goalie is likelier to be declining, and which one is more likely to be on the rise? Then consider contract value.

Vladar has some trade value, hence why he is rumoured to be on the block. I doubt there is a single team that would take Markstrom without a serious sweetener thrown in. That has to tell you something. I would much rather run with Vladar at least just to see. If it doesn't work, not a big deal. If he pops like a lot of goalies his age do, then great. I think this team is in a position right now where they can take the risk.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

We're the only franchise dumb enough in the NHL to not make room for at least 20 games of wolf next season. Imo our goalies sucked enough last season that the net is realistically wolfs to lose. The other two guys are just eating up money and a roster spot.

Wolf is still not a sure thing. They will make room for him but he’s the backup going into the season.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by camm13

It can work if it's a 3 way trade. If Pittsburgh is out on Karlson and are still interested in Hanifin. Something like this


To Philly: 2024 1st (Pitts), 2025 2nd, (Pitts), Prospect maybe, Granlund $5M (Cap Dump)


To Pitts: Hanifin

To Calgary: Konecy

Konecny has two years left on his contract likely has more trade value than Hanifin. The 2nd round pick likely needs to come from Calgary.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Konecny has two years left on his contract likely has more trade value than Hanifin. The 2nd round pick likely needs to come from Calgary.

Pittsburgh has 2 years left on Granlund at 5M, they absolutely need to dump that contract somewhere in order to make any additions on their roster. Currently -$1.5 over cap.