2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I thought we had established that the Devils never made that offer. Sources in the know say it was a protected 2025 1st, and I believe that was on the initial offer, which included retention.

That was what was being claimed by flames fans on here. "sources in the know" also guaranteed the trade would go through. In fact, the main "insider" here said.

Originally Posted by Sec214

I would be shocked if he’s here post deadline, I will quit CP insiderrrr if he’s here to start 24/25.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Big step down from Holtz+2024 1st for Markstrom unretained.

Not really. Markstrom would have made the pick worse or there would have been protection. Not really fussed about Holtz. Don't think he'll be much of a player.

A 10 OA pick is worth more to me than a 18 OA and Holtz.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

That was what was being claimed by flames fans on here. "sources in the know" also guaranteed the trade would go through. In fact, the main "insider" here said.

Oh, please show where anyone guaranteed a trade was going through.

[Tbull8]

Can the mods please block this guy? What a waste of time and server capacity

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

That was what was being claimed by flames fans on here.

Fans ≠ sources.

"sources in the know" also guaranteed the trade would go through. In fact, the main "insider" here said.

Sources in the know did not guarantee anything. They expected the trade to go through, and said that it did not because the two sides disagreed over the value of retention.

As a wise man once said, you are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

(By the way, it is not the start of the 2024-25 season yet, so Sec214 has not yet been proved wrong. I think it would be hilarious if Markstrom, Ullmark, and Saros were all traded this summer – and the Devils got none of them.)

[Backstop]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Markstrom has been playing badly since the rumours started. The numbers don't lie (and this includes mostly games with Hanifin and Tanev).

Markstrom now has 1 less year of value.

Markstrom has now publicly voiced his displeasure with Calgary's front office/ownership.

Markstrom will now be entering his age 35 season.

More sellers will be coming out as well as a number of freely available stopgaps via free agency.

Convincing yourself that his value hasn't dropped is lying to yourself.

Lets see how many boxes we check for the least popular personality type - The know it all...

• insecure Insecurity leads to inferiority, and inferiority to the development of a superiority complex.
• attention-seeking Needs to be the center of attention.
• narcissistic Superiority complex is the trademark of narcissism.
• impulsive Lack the patience required to accept others viewpoint.
• can’t read the room Too busy proving their superiority to realize they’re just annoying.
  
• don’t know they don’t know gain some knowledge and think they know everything there’s to know
• talk most, listen least jump into conversations and dish out their opinions when nobody asks them to do so.
• overly attached to their opinions unwilling to change their views, even with contrary evidence.
• attempt to dominate conversations hardly let others speak because they have to do the important work of proving their knowledge
• fish for arguments argue to win and prove themselves superior
• threatened by opposing views disagreement is akin to a personal attack.
• threatened by knowledgeable people avoid engaging with smart people lest they’re exposed for not knowing as much as they claim to know.
• hate those who prove them wrong despise you for taking away their primary or only ego-boosting source.
• can’t admit mistakes prefer blaming others for their mistakes.
• judgmental quick to label those who disagree with them ‘stupid’ or ‘ignorant’.
• like correcting others corrects others with with a superior tone
• unteachable teachable would mean they don’t know it all
• answer their own questions ask and answer questions themselves
• ramble on and on rambles on and on to avoid any chance of hearing opposing view

That's a lot of checked boxes, no wonder you're on a random forum, you're already on the top of the mental ignore list of anyone you know

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

My valuation of the market is based on what goaltenders have historically and recently received in terms of where they are drafted, the contracts they receive, and how much they receive in trades.

Fitzgerald was almost certainly speaking about 1 team, that has a GM who apparently isn't qualified to make his own trades without intervention from ownership

But Fitzgerald is ####ty at his job so should we really trust him?

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

But Fitzgerald is ####ty at his job so should we really trust him?

Conroy's entire reputation hinges on the fact that Elias Lindholm declined the certain albatross of 9 mill AAV x 8 years that Conroy offered him (boy did he get bailed out there), and Yegor Sharangovich shooting 19%

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Conroy's entire reputation hinges on the fact that Elias Lindholm declined the certain albatross of 9 mill AAV x 8 years that Conroy offered him (boy did he get bailed out there), and Yegor Sharangovich shooting 19%

That may be true but Fitzgerald is really ####ty at his job. Nobody listens to somebody who is horrific at their job and says “ that guy is right”.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That may be true but Fitzgerald is really ####ty at his job. Nobody listens to somebody who is horrific at their job and says “ that guy is right”.

I'm much happier with fitzgerald as my GM than Conroy.

Conroy wanted to give a bunch of massive contracts to old players to maintain mediocrity. Luckily for him nobody wants to play in Calgary.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

I'm much happier with fitzgerald as my GM than Conroy.

Conroy wanted to give a bunch of massive contracts to old players to maintain mediocrity. Luckily for him nobody wants to play in Calgary.

I am glad that you are happy about that. I am also happy that the Flames do not have some bumbling fool like Fitzgerald as their GM. So everyone is happy.

[CgyFlamesftw]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

I'm much happier with fitzgerald as my GM than Conroy.

Conroy wanted to give a bunch of massive contracts to old players to maintain mediocrity. Luckily for him nobody wants to play in Calgary.

Enjoy your goalie carousel in jersey.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I am glad that you are happy about that. I am also happy that the Flames do not have some bumbling fool like Fitzgerald as their GM. So everyone is happy.

Just curious the big mistake you think fitzgerald made is that he, checks notes, didn't massively overpay for a 34 year old goalie who since then has had a 0.878 save%?

Also, an edit about Conroy. He was probably hamstrung by ownership into those awful contract offers, and apparently turning down what he thought was fair value for markstrom at his peak. Which would honestly be more concerning for a fanbase, considering ownership definitely isn't getting replaced

[PaperBagger'14]

I, a Devils fan coming in peace, am just here to let you know that Markstrom is old and trash. We desperately need a player like him but he’s old and awful and maybe you’d get a 5th round pick. Please?

####in twink

[SemicolonD]

The fact this dude can spout off for pages on pages without being banned should show you how much it isn't an echo chamber. Go on HF and try to troll like this on an opposing teams board and you'd be lucky to make it to 2 pages without a ban.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by SemicolonD

The fact this dude can spout off for pages on pages without being banned should show you how much it isn't an echo chamber. Go on HF and try to troll like this on an opposing teams board and you'd be lucky to make it to 2 pages without a ban.

He was also positive Toffoli was going to get a first, meanwhile the Devils couldn’t get higher than a 2nd in 2025 even with 50% retained. He’s as dumb as he pretends everyone else is. Maybe worse. Definitely worse.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Don't we know this guy's identity? This isn't being leveraged enough.

The one time CP needs to pile on a poster for the greater good and they can't band together and get the job done.

We're much tougher on non-trolls, which makes no sense.

Get him!

[Wastedyouth]

No one should ever be banned other than for abusing other Members.

If you don't like him, don't talk to him. It takes two to troll.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

I'm much happier with fitzgerald as my GM than Conroy.

Conroy wanted to give a bunch of massive contracts to old players to maintain mediocrity. Luckily for him nobody wants to play in Calgary.

Your first sentence is a syntactical nightmare. Normally I wouldn't mind, but you seem to be coming in here with some kind of special claim on the truth. You're the courageous and objective mind amid this group think swamp, yes?

But your logic is as ghastly as your ability to put words together, one thought not fitting with the next, haphazardly stacked in a wobbly toddler tower.

Oh please, tell me about the year Fitzpatrick has had... Lets go of Brunette - coach of the year candidate. Fires Ruff too late with an ineffective replacement. Coaching issue remains.

Buys high and sells low on Toffoli and then buys two replacement level goalies to replace the replacers of the previously replaced. Goalie issue - unsolved.

Sewers the season of the league's lotto darlings with an imminently solvable problem hanging over his head for months. Solvable problem - still unsolved.

He had an awful year. There's really no argument to the contrary.

Conroy isn't going to be making any lists. His moves were measured, appropriate, solid. He extracted the most value of any gm selling rentals. He followed through on his promise to be an asset manager. Good. We couldn't have hoped for more.

Now beat it, child!

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Your first sentence is a syntactical nightmare. Normally I wouldn't mind, but you seem to be coming in here with some kind of special claim on the truth. You're the courageous and objective mind amid this group think swamp, yes?

But your logic is as ghastly as your ability to put words together, one thought not fitting with the next, haphazardly stacked in a wobbly toddler tower.

Oh please, tell me about the year Fitzpatrick has had... Lets go of Brunette - coach of the year candidate. Fires Ruff too late with an ineffective replacement. Coaching issue remains.

Buys high and sells low on Toffoli and then buys two replacement level goalies to replace the replacers of the previously replaced. Goalie issue - unsolved.

Sewers the season of the league's lotto darlings with an imminently solvable problem hanging over his head for months. Solvable problem - still unsolved.

He had an awful year. There's really no argument to the contrary.

Conroy isn't going to be making any lists. His moves were measured, appropriate, solid. He extracted the most value of any gm selling rentals. He followed through on his promise to be an asset manager. Good. We couldn't have hoped for more.

Now beat it, child!

Selling rentals is easy. You wait, then you sell to the team with the highest offer. Conroy did nothing impressive (in fact he first tried to offer them all massive contracts. A completely different tune would be being sung if Elias Lindholm accepted the 72 million dollar offer from Conroy).

Very easy to sell the best dman and center on the market.

Conroy pissed away the peak of markstrom's value.


Yegor had no place in jersey. He would have had a 2nd of value if sold, and then was turned into a 2nd+3rd. But good on him for shooting 19% (surely we've never before seen a player shoot a massive career high then revert back to their normal numbers, with no other underlyings suggesting any difference).

Brunette was a mistake. Name 1 GM who would have actually fired a Jack Adams finalist in the offseason?

The year was decimated by injuries. 3 rookie dman in the lineup. This was not, and never has been, the year to go all in.

Futures were kept, didn't massively overpay for a goalie, and has us set up for the future.