Tracking the anti-LBGTQ+ movement

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by Superflyer

The main thing that I cannot wrap my head around is how does someone who raised their child from birth just suddenly turn their back on them and tell them they are worthless in the blink of an eye. I could never turn my back on my kids, no matter what they did.

I've mentioned before I have several LDS friends - and the biggest thing I hear from them is just the sheer amount of queer kids in their community getting kicked out of their homes as soon as they come out. The only official data point I've seen from the US is that about 1/3 of homeless youth identify as such, but in Utah, it's about 10 percentage points higher.

I've always found that to be appalling from anyone who claims to be family first.

Really glad you are there for them, as mentioned above, you've probably saved a life in a worse case, and at the minimum have enabled them to potentially have a future.

[Doctorfever]

https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...ronto-official

. “It was very unfortunate that the group decided to take away the opportunity from the queer community the one time of the year folks come from all over the world, all over Canada, all over Ontario to celebrate themselves, to be themselves,” Modeste told The Toronto Sun Monday.

“I was not surprised. I was disappointed. It was just not the place for this.”

The Coalition Against Pinkwashing — a coalition of queer and trans activists from Palestine solidarity groups — interrupted the Pride parade with a protest around 6 p.m.

Modeste said it was safety concerns following the 20-minute protest that led to him to cancel the remainder of the parade, which began at 2 p.m.

“Protestors were starting to yell at individuals that were there to celebrate — whether they were members of the community or allies,” he said.

This is unfortunate. The parade has to be shut down due to safety concerns.

What is wrong with people?

[The Fonz]

As a member of the community, it was very frustrating to see the celebration ruined by this group.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...ronto-official



This is unfortunate. The parade has to be shut down due to safety concerns.

What is wrong with people?

Which people? The Palestinians or the trans people who the interrupted parade is meant to stand up for whom you’ve made drunken statements on this board attacking?

Pick a lane, either give a #### about people or don’t. I don’t have a dog in this fight but hypocrisy like this is just ridiculous.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Which people? The Palestinians or the trans people who the interrupted parade is meant to stand up for whom you’ve made drunken statements on this board attacking?

Pick a lane, either give a #### about people or don’t. I don’t have a dog in this fight but hypocrisy like this is just ridiculous.

Hypocrisy, the word you try and fit into a discussion when nothing fits you narrative.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Which people? The Palestinians or the trans people who the interrupted parade is meant to stand up for whom you’ve made drunken statements on this board attacking?

Pick a lane, either give a #### about people or don’t. I don’t have a dog in this fight but hypocrisy like this is just ridiculous.

It’s par for the course that he uses the “tracking the anti-LGBTQ+ movement” thread to trash LGBTQ+ people. Trans people and Palestinian supporters are basically his hate triggers, so nice to see him staying consistent.

I personally think the protest is justified, and more in line with the origins of the Pride parade than the corporate love fest it’s become. Pride parades have been largely taken over by people who want to feel good about themselves as opposed to people who actually care about the lives, rights, and well being of others.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s par for the course that he uses the “tracking the anti-LGBTQ+ movement” thread to trash LGBTQ+ people. Trans people and Palestinian supporters are basically his hate triggers, so nice to see him staying consistent.

I personally think the protest is justified, and more in line with the origins of the Pride parade than the corporate love fest it’s become. Pride parades have been largely taken over by people who want to feel good about themselves as opposed to people who actually care about the lives, rights, and well being of others.

lol. Ok.

Why not just give the Pride Parade its day? It is a pretty significant event that lots of people have attended over the years. You choose to trash on it this year because anti-LGBTQ people hijack it. Weird.

[Fuzz]

I hope you don't think it isn't completely obvious what you are doing here, Doctorfever.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

lol. Ok.

Why not just give the Pride Parade its day? It is a pretty significant event that lots of people have attended over the years. You choose to trash on it this year because anti-LGBTQ people hijack it. Weird.

My critiques of the Pride parade are the same as they’ve been every year. The fact that a poster who has spent far too much of their time hating on trans people is going to talk about how “significant” the Pride parade basically illustrates my point.

And sorry you couldn’t even be bothered to read your own article, considering calling a group of queer and trans activists, specifically protesting the use of pink washing to cover for the support of things that harm human rights across the globe, “anti-LGBTQ” is just about the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

My critiques of the Pride parade are the same as they’ve been every year. The fact that a poster who has spent far too much of their time hating on trans people is going to talk about how “significant” the Pride parade basically illustrates my point.

And sorry you couldn’t even be bothered to read your own article, considering calling a group of queer and trans activists, specifically protesting the use of pink washing to cover for the support of things that harm human rights across the globe, “anti-LGBTQ” is just about the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

Who is the poster hating on trans people? Please point out where they hate trans people.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Hypocrisy, the word you try and fit into a discussion when nothing fits you narrative.

What is my narrative exactly? Holding people accountable for what they say?

Look man if you don’t understand the definition of hypocrisy that’s fine but no need to start bull####ting.

If you‘ve changed some of your previously held views and are being sincere about your frustration with the protest’s impact on the parade then that’s great, like seriously great. A lot of people are too set in their ways or uncomfortable with certain topics to ever reconsider their positions. But you really should try to make the point that your views have changed clear before making the post you made, otherwise in a situation like this you run the risk of coming off as a..well…it starts with an H.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

What is my narrative exactly? Holding people accountable for what they say?

Look man if you don’t understand the definition of hypocrisy that’s fine but no need to start bull####ting.

If you‘ve changed some of your previously held views and are being sincere about your frustration with the protest’s impact on the parade then that’s great, like seriously great. A lot of people are too set in their ways or uncomfortable with certain topics to ever reconsider their positions. But you really should try to make the point that your views have changed clear before making the post you made, otherwise in a situation like this you run the risk of coming off as a..well…it starts with an H.

Set in what ways exactly? What are you even talking about?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Who is the poster hating on trans people? Please point out where they hate trans people.

This you?

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Nobody is trying to score against Team Trans. Just trying to keep Team Trans from scoring on woman in prison.

[Muta]

Mob of 'middle eastern men' brutally beat lesbian couple out celebrating a birthday

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/middle-ea...rthday-canada/

Can't believe this happened in Canada. Absolutely disgusting.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

That's demoralizing.

Blamed on the couple??

[PepsiFree]

Insane that there were no charges.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Insane that there were no charges.

No charges yet.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Set in what ways exactly? What are you even talking about?

Listen in the past you’ve made some, lets call them questionable, comments that have suggested you held certain views that were not very endearing to certain groups of people. All I’m saying is that those previous comments bring the sincerity of your post into question, which is why I asked you for clarification in the first place. But I’m gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that your views have actually changed, withdraw my question and leave it that, this way so long as you don’t back track to making more questionable comments directed at said group I can look like the jerk for questioning whether you had actually changed in the first place.

Sound good?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Article from ctv includes interview with one of the women and video of the incident.

https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/i-m-terr...lurs-1.6945975

Why weren’t the men detained? Why would police just let them walk? Surely the victims told the police they were attacked. If someone gets attacked in public and beaten by a gang of attackers, isn’t that enough for the police to act? Even if you just question the attackers. Seems crazy to just let them walk.

Why did the news blur the faces of the attackers?

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Muta

Mob of 'middle eastern men' brutally beat lesbian couple out celebrating a birthday

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/middle-ea...rthday-canada/

Can't believe this happened in Canada. Absolutely disgusting.

I always go to right wing LBC.co.uk for Canadian centric news.

Raise hands who knew of this incident when it was first reported or just found out about it today? The first report came June 28. This article and report is fairly different.

https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/i-m-terr...lurs-1.6945975

Only CTV local news broadcasted this incident. This made the rounds on a few subreddits like /r/halifax, I saw it at the time and thought it was a deplorable act.

Imagine to my surprise this making top page worldnews on reddit this morning, as LBC, DailyMail, Mirror and many other international media picked up on the story which got reposted. The reporting is also quite more descriptive and detailed, especially about who did the attacks.

Yet if you are following Canadian national news over the past 4 days since the local CTV news...there was nothing.

Nothing on Global
Nothing on National Post
Nothing on CBC.

I only found out about this story through Reddit first from r/halifax with the CTV article, second from r/worldnews. I'm sure r/worldnews is where Muta found it. When I saw the news on r/halifax I was shocked and disturbed by the attack.

It's now making the rounds in right wing fringe tanks such as r/canada_sub, yet not r/canada

Also notably absent in the CTV news broadcast was the omission of the men's identities, when the video clearly show who they are (yet their identities were protected). This is despite one of the victims clearly having a statement about the men's identities that was omitted from the CTV report.

Was this hate crime news omitted and underreported deliberately (for different reasoning)? Considering the sources that did report it (mainly tabloids or right leaning and far right sources) which mention ethnicity of the attackers, it appears this is a concerted censoring effort to cover up what is a clear hate crime solely due to who did the attack. Both political sides are deliberately choosing to silence / weaponize a hate crime out of convenience.

Left leaning sources are silencing this story because of who did the attack. Right leaning sources are clearly weaponizing it because of who did the attack.

As mentioned, that there was no charges at all is insane. A hate crime is a hate crime. Did the police not issue charges because they had a right anti-LBGTQ+ prejudice? Or they did not issue charges because the attackers were of an ethnicity that could cause backlash?

Selective media reporting and police action that negatively impacts a marginalized group absolutely should be a concern.