Tracking the anti-LBGTQ+ movement

[Doctorfever]

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[Wormius]

Taking photos of people in the change room is kind of something else.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

It looks like Drumheller will decide if they are too pathetic to endure a rainbow crosswalk in their town on Monday.

I don’t understand why councils need to get involved. I was a councillor when my city put in a rainbow crosswalk. We got some pushback but we just did it.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

It looks like Drumheller will decide if they are too pathetic to endure a rainbow crosswalk in their town on Monday.

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I don’t understand why councils need to get involved. I was a councillor when my city put in a rainbow crosswalk. We got some pushback but we just did it.

For the record Town Council rejected the proposed changes.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/drumhelle...walk-1.6804423

[Superflyer]

I don't care who reads this or who doesn't but I just need to get this out somewhere.

A couple weeks ago my daughters girlfriend came out to her parents as trans. To put it lightly it did not go well. In less than a minute of starting the conversation it went from "Mom, Dad, I need to tell you something" to "Pack your #### and get out of my house"
She wound up running away, far away. Things went very bad. When we found this out we were heart broken. We actually went to her and convinced her to come back and she is now living with us.

So many things went through my head when this was happening. The main thing that I cannot wrap my head around is how does someone who raised their child from birth just suddenly turn their back on them and tell them they are worthless in the blink of an eye. I could never turn my back on my kids, no matter what they did.

Other things I thought of were some of the comments I have read where people were saying teachers in schools should be outing kids to their parents. I could not imagine how bad this would have been if her parents heard this from a third party and not directly from her. I think it would have had the same outcome but at least this way it came from her and not someone else. She would likely have come home one day and just been blindsided by her parents and had to confront everything head on, right then and there. That would have been a nightmare


We, my wife and I, had an idea of that she may have been going through a possible transition or something but it was not our place to say anything and we just let it be. There were little signs we were picking up on but we just told each other if it is happening it is up to her to bring it up.
We also knew her parents were very conservitive, and if it was true, they would likely take it badly when that day came. We were just not ready for something like the level it came to.
It is just mind boggling how people are like this. I know that people like this are out there, who just hate anyone that is not like them, but it is hard to just believe it until it happens in front of you I guess.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Superflyer

I don't care who reads this or who doesn't but I just need to get this out somewhere.

A couple weeks ago my daughters girlfriend came out to her parents as trans. To put it lightly it did not go well. In less than a minute of starting the conversation it went from "Mom, Dad, I need to tell you something" to "Pack your #### and get out of my house"
She wound up running away, far away. Things went very bad. When we found this out we were heart broken. We actually went to her and convinced her to come back and she is now living with us.

So many things went through my head when this was happening. The main thing that I cannot wrap my head around is how does someone who raised their child from birth just suddenly turn their back on them and tell them they are worthless in the blink of an eye. I could never turn my back on my kids, no matter what they did.

Other things I thought of were some of the comments I have read where people were saying teachers in schools should be outing kids to their parents. I could not imagine how bad this would have been if her parents heard this from a third party and not directly from her. I think it would have had the same outcome but at least this way it came from her and not someone else. She would likely have come home one day and just been blindsided by her parents and had to confront everything head on, right then and there. That would have been a nightmare


We, my wife and I, had an idea of that she may have been going through a possible transition or something but it was not our place to say anything and we just let it be. There were little signs we were picking up on but we just told each other if it is happening it is up to her to bring it up.
We also knew her parents were very conservitive, and if it was true, they would likely take it badly when that day came. We were just not ready for something like the level it came to.
It is just mind boggling how people are like this. I know that people like this are out there, who just hate anyone that is not like them, but it is hard to just believe it until it happens in front of you I guess.

Good for you for taking them in.

Love is Love.

Sadly these are not isolated events.

My buddy is a teacher in the Catholic System, some of the stories he has witnessed in his 20 yrs are very upsetting.

Good on you for not standing by an watching.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Superflyer

I don't care who reads this or who doesn't but I just need to get this out somewhere.

A couple weeks ago my daughters girlfriend came out to her parents as trans. To put it lightly it did not go well. In less than a minute of starting the conversation it went from "Mom, Dad, I need to tell you something" to "Pack your #### and get out of my house"
She wound up running away, far away. Things went very bad. When we found this out we were heart broken. We actually went to her and convinced her to come back and she is now living with us.

So many things went through my head when this was happening. The main thing that I cannot wrap my head around is how does someone who raised their child from birth just suddenly turn their back on them and tell them they are worthless in the blink of an eye. I could never turn my back on my kids, no matter what they did.

Other things I thought of were some of the comments I have read where people were saying teachers in schools should be outing kids to their parents. I could not imagine how bad this would have been if her parents heard this from a third party and not directly from her. I think it would have had the same outcome but at least this way it came from her and not someone else. She would likely have come home one day and just been blindsided by her parents and had to confront everything head on, right then and there. That would have been a nightmare


We, my wife and I, had an idea of that she may have been going through a possible transition or something but it was not our place to say anything and we just let it be. There were little signs we were picking up on but we just told each other if it is happening it is up to her to bring it up.
We also knew her parents were very conservitive, and if it was true, they would likely take it badly when that day came. We were just not ready for something like the level it came to.
It is just mind boggling how people are like this. I know that people like this are out there, who just hate anyone that is not like them, but it is hard to just believe it until it happens in front of you I guess.

This is exactly why teachers being forced to tell parents is such an absolutely terrible policy.

For clarification, She is MtF?

And thank you for stepping in to help - you are very likely saving a life.

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

This is exactly why teachers being forced to tell parents is such an absolutely terrible policy.

For clarification, She is MtF?

And thank you for stepping in to help - you are very likely saving a life.

Yes male to female

[Kidder]

Thanks for posting. You sound like great parents. Kudos to you for seekin them out and offering a safe place for them in this very difficult time.

Originally Posted by Superflyer

Other things I thought of were some of the comments I have read where people were saying teachers in schools should be outing kids to their parents. I could not imagine how bad this would have been if her parents heard this from a third party and not directly from her. I think it would have had the same outcome but at least this way it came from her and not someone else. She would likely have come home one day and just been blindsided by her parents and had to confront everything head on, right then and there. That would have been a nightmare.

These type of parents are exactly what the government’s policy is for. It’s disgusting they try to frame it as best for the child.

Parents like you who offer unconditional love, also offer space for their child to approach them with these matters when and where they’re ready.

Parents who would expel their child, or think they could change their minds with therapy/threats/whatever, or just shame their child into never exploring their identity. That’s who benefits from such a policy. At the detriment of the child.

[You Need a Thneed]

Obviously very traumatic for your daughter's girlfriend.

But please check in with your daughter too. This can have trauma for her too - which she may be scared to express because it seems (to her) relatively insignificant.

[MarchHare]

This is exactly the situation I posted about four months ago in the Alberta politics thread:

Originally Posted by MarchHare

When a vulnerable LGBTQ+ teen is forcibly outed by their school to their non-supportive parents and is then cast out of their home, physically abused, or even murdered, that teen's blood is on the hands of the UCP government and every Albertan who voted for them. And make absolutely no mistake, it's a matter of when -- not if -- this scenario will happen.

This is what you voted for, UCP supporters.

We all saw this coming, and sadly, this will not be the only time we will hear a heartbreaking story like this. It's only a matter of time until some ultra-conservative parents who don't truly love their child murder a transgender youth.

I'll say it again: this is what you voted for, UCP supporters. You own this.

[You Need a Thneed]

Some Key Protective Factors for Suicide among LGBTQ+ Young People

The Impact of Social Support and Acceptance from Adults and Peers

LGBTQ+ young people with at least one accepting adult in their life report significantly lower rates of attempting suicide.

A 2021 peer-reviewed study by The Trevor Project’s researchers, published in Transgender Health, found that transgender and nonbinary youth who reported gender identity acceptance from adults and peers had significantly lower odds of attempting suicide in the past year.

LGBTQ+ young people who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support.

LGBTQ+ young people who live in a community that is accepting of LGBTQ+ people reported much lower rates of attempting suicide than those who do not.

The Impact of Affirming Spaces and Activities, Especially at School

The Trevor Project’s research has found that LGBTQ+ young people who found their school and home to be LGBTQ+-affirming reported lower rates of attempting suicide.

LGBTQ+ young people who report the presence of trusted adults in their school have higher levels of self-esteem (Dessel et al., 2017) and access to supportive peers is protective against anxiety and depression, including among those who lack support from their family (Parra et al., 2018).

Schools also offer young people the ability to participate in extracurricular activities and clubs, which have been found to promote positive youth development (Eccles et al., 2003). The presence of Gender and Sexualities Alliances (GSAs) has been found to significantly reduce the risk for depression and increase well-being among LGBTQ+ young people and young adults (Toomey et al., 2011).

The Impact of Policies and Practices that Support Transgender and Nonbinary Youth

Transgender and nonbinary young people attempt suicide less when their pronouns are respected, when they are allowed to officially change the gender marker on their legal documents, and when they have access to spaces (online, at school, and home) that affirm their gender identity.

Transgender and nonbinary young people who reported having pronouns respected by all or most people in their lives attempted suicide at half the rate of those who did not have their pronouns respected.

A 2022 peer-reviewed study by The Trevor Project researchers, published in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health, found that transgender and nonbinary young people who had changed their legal documents reported significantly lower rates of attempting suicide in the past year compared to those who had not.

Gender-affirming medical care, such as hormone therapy, is associated with positive mental health outcomes including showing promise for reducing suicide risk. A 2021 peer-reviewed study by The Trevor Project’s researchers, published in the Journal of Adolescent Health, found that gender-affirming hormone therapy is significantly related to lower rates of depression, suicidal thoughts, and suicide attempts among transgender and nonbinary young people.

From here:

https://www.thetrevorproject.org/res...youth-suicide/

[You Need a Thneed]

The Trevor Project’s 2023 U.S. National Survey on the Mental Health of LGBTQ Young People found that 41% of LGBTQ+ young people seriously considered attempting suicide in the past year, including roughly half of transgender and nonbinary youth.

From the same webpage as above. Emphasis mine.

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Obviously very traumatic for your daughter's girlfriend.

But please check in with your daughter too. This can have trauma for her too - which she may be scared to express because it seems (to her) relatively insignificant.

Yes we have been talking to them both and discussing everything together, as a group. We let them talk to us and tell us how they want to move forward. This is hard for both of them as they are very close. They have both been very open to us and letting us in on everything.
It was almost a good thing for my daughter in a round about sort of way. She wanted to tell us everything that was going on but her girlfriend did not want to let anyone else know it was just the two of them that were sharing this. Now that it is all out in the open it is like a huge weight is off her chest.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Superflyer

I don't care who reads this or who doesn't but I just need to get this out somewhere.

A couple weeks ago my daughters girlfriend came out to her parents as trans. To put it lightly it did not go well. In less than a minute of starting the conversation it went from "Mom, Dad, I need to tell you something" to "Pack your #### and get out of my house"
She wound up running away, far away. Things went very bad. When we found this out we were heart broken. We actually went to her and convinced her to come back and she is now living with us.

So many things went through my head when this was happening. The main thing that I cannot wrap my head around is how does someone who raised their child from birth just suddenly turn their back on them and tell them they are worthless in the blink of an eye. I could never turn my back on my kids, no matter what they did.

Other things I thought of were some of the comments I have read where people were saying teachers in schools should be outing kids to their parents. I could not imagine how bad this would have been if her parents heard this from a third party and not directly from her. I think it would have had the same outcome but at least this way it came from her and not someone else. She would likely have come home one day and just been blindsided by her parents and had to confront everything head on, right then and there. That would have been a nightmare


We, my wife and I, had an idea of that she may have been going through a possible transition or something but it was not our place to say anything and we just let it be. There were little signs we were picking up on but we just told each other if it is happening it is up to her to bring it up.
We also knew her parents were very conservitive, and if it was true, they would likely take it badly when that day came. We were just not ready for something like the level it came to.
It is just mind boggling how people are like this. I know that people like this are out there, who just hate anyone that is not like them, but it is hard to just believe it until it happens in front of you I guess.

Garbage human beings taking the feelings of an imaginary sky god over their own child. Every word or teaching directly attributed to Jesus is all about love & acceptance, so why are his most hardcore followers so full of hate?

[photon]

Thanks for being there and doing all that.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

When I worked at our local university there was a student I worked with who was LGBTQ2S+, they were one of my favorite students I ever had the pleasure of working with (in all honesty, they're likely #1).

One of the genuinely best people I've ever met.

I'll never forget when they were around the office and they were getting ready to leave with an overnight bag. I didn't think that was that odd. However, they mentioned that they were ready to come out to their dad that night. They had the overnight bag in case things went badly.

I couldn't wrap my head around it. Such an amazing person and they were terrified their dad would kick them out and disown them because they were gay.

Unlike Superflier, their dad had zero issue. In fact their dad showed up to EVERY Pride event from that point on to help setup/take down and do whatever was needed.

Subsequent to that they've come out as Trans.

For clarity I'm using gender neutral terms as I don't want to identify them.

I'll also admit I struggle with pronouns if those pronouns change after I met you. (IE: if I met you after you transitioned I'll get your pronouns right every time. If I knew you as gender A then you change to gender B, unless I'm consciously paying attention I'll gender you as gender A. No disrespect, I'll catch myself, but I'm trying)

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

This is exactly the situation I posted about four months ago in the Alberta politics thread:



We all saw this coming, and sadly, this will not be the only time we will hear a heartbreaking story like this. It's only a matter of time until some ultra-conservative parents who don't truly love their child murder a transgender youth.

I'll say it again: this is what you voted for, UCP supporters. You own this.

They'll never own it, they're dummies who knew what they were supporting. Gotta bleed blue and they did, despite anything they were told was coming. It's heartbreaking, but the sad reality of living in this hick province.

[timun]

Yyyyyyyyyep!

Originally Posted by MarchHare

This is exactly the situation I posted about four months ago in the Alberta politics thread: <quote>

Yyyyyyyyyep! From the same page of the same thread:

Originally Posted by timun

You write "Parents will go to extreme lengths to assist and help their child, leaving no stone unturned," and I can't help but laugh. There are a lot of terrible parents out there. [...] There are lots of parents of queer kids who've disowned them, sent 'em to "deprogramming" summer camps, or just tried to beat the gay out of 'em. Not every parent has their kid's best interests at heart.

Frankly you're a complete and utter idiot if you honestly believe that forcing teachers to out gay kids to their parents is "keeping government out of it": it's doing the exact opposite. Our UCP government are a bunch of hypocrites, and this policy is nothing but pandering to their socially-conservative base who are precisely the kinds of parents who'd disown or beat the #### out of their gay kids.

sigh

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by timun

Yyyyyyyyyep!



Yyyyyyyyyep! From the same page of the same thread:



sigh

Ok, sure, we have yet another real world example of how policies like this could harm children, as they expose children to the situations described above against their will.

But… hear me out, have you thought of the hypothetical gosh darn good parents (whose kids don’t tell them anything but I dunno I guess we’re pretending they’re good anyways) who would move heaven and earth to protect their child (but would not like… have a conversation with their child unless school tells them to)? We need to end government involvement (in the form of them not inserting themselves) and get them out of our homes (by having them directly dictate what members of our families get to keep private and what they don’t).

In all seriousness, I hope this wakes a few people who thought like the above up a little bit. This was a story of a young person who willingly told their parents, so hopefully people unfamiliar can at least imagine the kinds of situations some young people are in who actively want to hide it from their parents.