Submarine Tour to Titanic Missing

[Kybosh]

My old neighbour back in the 80’s was apparently an infant passenger on the titanic. Cool story, bro.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Meanwhile hundreds of migrants die on a ship off Greece and no one bats an eye.

Would you feel better if we were all making jokes about them as well?

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

At the end of the day human life is still human life whether the people are rich or not. Sure they were afforded luxuries that most people can only dream of and they took risks that seem foolish to many but they still have families and people who care about them.

This is shaping up to be a tragedy and it's poor taste to crack jokes because of their financial status and wealth. I'll probably get roasted for this but I think it's kind of cringe to read this thread and make light of a very serious situation.

I get that going on a non-certified sub was foolish and they were made aware of the risks but it doesn't make this rescue any less depressing as time is certainly running out if not already over.

Oh please, what a joke of a post.

We all have our own personal tragedies and circles of concern. Mine does not extend to a bunch of dopes who Darwin-awarded themselves into a rickety submarine for a death cruise. Gtfo.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Oh please, what a joke of a post.

We all have our own personal tragedies and circles of concern. Mine does not extend to a bunch of dopes who Darwin-awarded themselves into a rickety submarine for a death cruise. Gtfo.

Sums it up. People have been making fun of people who get themselves killed doing stupid #### since the dawn of time.

[Trojan97]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1671568651168919554

Won't be for everyone but this cracked me up.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Oh please, what a joke of a post.

We all have our own personal tragedies and circles of concern. Mine does not extend to a bunch of dopes who Darwin-awarded themselves into a rickety submarine for a death cruise. Gtfo.

Yet one of the guys on the boat is a philanthropist who's contributed more to society than you ever will. But sure go ahead and act superior because your "personal tragedies" are more important than others.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The implosion of this thread for the past few pages really shows peoples lack on empathy, for shame

Quite the contrary. It shows people processing their empathy in an alternative way.

To think of the tragic nightmare that may be unfolding gives me so much anxiety I can barely stand it, because it wraps nearly all of my phobias into a precise package.

However, the total absurdity of nearly every element of this tragedy lends itself to humour. I'm not going to make a joke because it's all been pretty well covered, but as a guy who can't empathize with these people without panicking a little the levity is fine.

If it makes anyone less uncomfortable, no matter the outcome these folks aren't going to read this thread.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

The closer this gets to 100% fatality territory the less seriously people seem to be taking it, which is odd.

I know there isn't much sympathy for the ultra wealthy around here but keep in mind that there's a young guy on there who was likely just going along with his dad's foolish idea for privileged leisure.

I feel badly for him most.

Absurdly wealthy people doing absurdly dangerous things. It's like a billionaire crashing their Ferrari while speeding. It is sad, just like anyone losing their life well before their time. But I kind of feel worse for the guy in a Honda Civic who dies in a routine commute to work just trying to scrape by, or any random person that gets killed just doing normal everyday things. I am sure some ultra-wealthy people are nice, but spending $250k for some vain thrill experience, the cost of which is offensive to normal people, it's hard to feel too bad.

[MegaErtz]

How much will the recovery effort cost, and who will pay the bill?

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Yet one of the guys on the boat is a philanthropist who's contributed more to society than you ever will.

The good news is his money isn't down there with him.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

How much will the recovery effort cost, and who will pay the bill?

The American and Canadian coast guard support will be paid for with public money generated from revenue the countries collect, either through taxes or other sources. I have no idea how much it will cost, but likely in the 10s of millions. I am assuming that the British Navy support is also publicly funded.

I am not sure about the French ship, or the private companies that are there. Some of them are likely billing the coast guards, some might be there out of good will or getting paid for by private funds.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Yet one of the guys on the boat is a philanthropist who's contributed more to society than you ever will. But sure go ahead and act superior because your "personal tragedies" are more important than others.

lol at philanthropy. Dude, one human being isn't so valuable that he should be able to accrue billions, anyway. He gives a bunch of it away? Well he ####ing should, so I'm not going to pat him on the back for that. Say you wanted three mansions, 10 cars, a yaht and a private plane. You've still only spent like $200 million of that. Life isn't long enough to spend billions of dollars. You literally have to give it away.

And do you know how you become a billionaire? By exploiting human labour down a long chain of people that have less than you. Same way to become a millionaire, to be honest, just millionaires are more common and their exploitation happens at a smaller scale.

As for personal tragedies? Yeah, I should care more about the hardships, illnesses, accidents and deaths of people close to me. I don't have the capacity to care about these guys who were super stupid and got themselves into a super stupid situation.

I guarantee you there are dozens or hundreds of people who could have afforded to take this sub ride, were interested in seeing the titanic, and then looked at the sub, the company and its operations, and noped the #### out of doing it. It's not like these guys were duped into this. They made a super dumb decision and now they're dead. I don't know them. I don't know anybody else who knows them. I know there are far sadder things happening all over the world this very second (Ukraine?). You're being absolutely ridiculous to be clutching your pearls at our jokes about this meh of a tragedy.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Absurdly wealthy people doing absurdly dangerous things. It's like a billionaire crashing their Ferrari while speeding. It is sad, just like anyone losing their life well before their time. But I kind of feel worse for the guy in a Honda Civic who dies in a routine commute to work just trying to scrape by, or any random person that gets killed just doing normal everyday things. I am sure some ultra-wealthy people are nice, but spending $250k for some vain thrill experience, the cost of which is offensive to normal people, it's hard to feel too bad.

So if you got that wealthy and did activities that a person in that bracket could afford (because that's naturally what one would do) you're saying it should erase the inherent value of your life or sympathy that it warrants if you happened to die because your activities are offensive to people who don't have access to them?

The funny part is that not an insignificant portion of those knocking it would probably entertain the idea in their shoes, given the 100% success rating the company had prior. If 250 grand was pennies to you what sort of activities would you entertain? I bet many of them would be questionable to the general populous.

It's in human nature to push limits and take risks. Otherwise everest wouldn't be littered with the dead.

Also almost everybody makes mistakes and puts their trust in people and opportunities that they shouldn't have. Unfortunately for them, this mistake cost them their lives.

We don't have to manufacture sympathy if it's not there but loss of human lives deserves some kind of baseline of respect at the very least, knowing that even rich people have families too.

But I digress.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

At the end of the day human life is still human life whether the people are rich or not. Sure they were afforded luxuries that most people can only dream of and they took risks that seem foolish to many but they still have families and people who care about them.

This is shaping up to be a tragedy and it's poor taste to crack jokes because of their financial status and wealth. I'll probably get roasted for this but I think it's kind of cringe to read this thread and make light of a very serious situation.

I get that going on a non-certified sub was foolish and they were made aware of the risks but it doesn't make this rescue any less depressing as time is certainly running out if not already over.

Meh

[bluejays]

The jokes are funny and all, and certainly a lot of us have become more skeptical of subs (if not already), but assume you were them for a second and had the opportunity to go there and weren't afraid of tight spaces. You wouldn't know a good sub from a bad one despite seeing a nintendo controller. If some limited agencies were promoting something many don't know about, and there are news broadcasts pretty much legitimizing it, I could see myself falling for it. Not saying personally I could do that leap as I'd be terrified in a sub, but putting that aside news coverage seems to legitimize and provide clout on things. Look at scam artists taking pictures with Presidents and getting clout from that, then proceeding to do their thing. Look at silly gofundme's getting news coverage and proceeding to rack up donations beyond the need. This stuff takes on a life of it's own once publicized.

[soreshins]

Nm

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Meh

Well if you ever get super successful or come into a large sum of money and #### up, just know it'll be a big ol' meh because of your socioeconomic status.

Only the lower to middle classes deserve sympathy upon death, because we can better relate to them.

The homeless though, also meh. They could've made it if they got up off their butts and dropped their addictions cold turkey and got themselves a job like the rest of us salt of the earth people.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

It's in human nature to push limits and take risks. Otherwise everest wouldn't be littered with the dead.

Is this really something to be admired though?

I put this event in the same category as things like when people fall off balconies while trying to take a dangerous looking selfie for social media.

I feel a combination of sympathy and disdain for the foolishness of it.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by bluejays

The jokes are funny and all, and certainly a lot of us have become more skeptical of subs (if not already), but assume you were them for a second and had the opportunity to go there and weren't afraid of tight spaces. You wouldn't know a good sub from a bad one despite seeing a nintendo controller. If some limited agencies were promoting something many don't know about, and there are news broadcasts pretty much legitimizing it, I could see myself falling for it. Not saying personally I could do that leap as I'd be terrified in a sub, but putting that aside news coverage seems to legitimize and provide clout on things. Look at scam artists taking pictures with Presidents and getting clout from that, then proceeding to do their thing. Look at silly gofundme's getting news coverage and proceeding to rack up donations beyond the need. This stuff takes on a life of it's own once publicized.

You don't think you would be concerned about the sub when they made you crawl past the ####ter onto the floor in your socks that maybe this wasn't this best sub out there? Then a bunch of dudes on a rented boat bolted the door closed from the outside? Idk, man. I wouldn't have done it and a billion dollars says there were not an insignificant number of people who wanted the experience, but didn't trust this operation.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by bluejays

The jokes are funny and all, and certainly a lot of us have become more skeptical of subs (if not already), but assume you were them for a second and had the opportunity to go there and weren't afraid of tight spaces. You wouldn't know a good sub from a bad one despite seeing a nintendo controller. If some limited agencies were promoting something many don't know about, and there are news broadcasts pretty much legitimizing it, I could see myself falling for it. Not saying personally I could do that leap as I'd be terrified in a sub, but putting that aside news coverage seems to legitimize and provide clout on things. Look at scam artists taking pictures with Presidents and getting clout from that, then proceeding to do their thing. Look at silly gofundme's getting news coverage and proceeding to rack up donations beyond the need. This stuff takes on a life of it's own once publicized.

My personality is such that I'd want to learn everything about it, and deep sea subs, and everything everyone has done on them. So I suspect I'd start to see red flags and begin asking questions.


But then, I also used the zip lines in Costa Rica so perhaps maybe I would be crushed to death. I sure hope you lot would crack some good jokes on my accord. Something about a crushed pickle stuffed in a tube 3000m down having to dill with it? Maybe I brought clay for ballast, and it all washed away?