[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[Monahammer]

The NDP has proposed adding additional streams and funds to APIP, a critical petrochemical tax incentive, along with regulatory streamlining for petrochemical facilities as part of their platform this election. But if you want to be an ignorant dip#### that's certainly a choice.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

The amount of oil and fellating going on in this thread is nutty. The vast majority of Albertans don't work in the sector, and continuing the resource roller coaster is only kicking the pain can down the hallway.

You god damn socialist!!

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by fotze2

As an engineer I want to say thanks for the acknowledgement. Also as an engineer, are you on drugs? Haha

Maybe not specifically traditional engineers, but areas like supply chain, manufacturing processes, business process improvement, et al would apply in my view. I can buy there is bloat in Medicine, just like there is bloat in O&G. There is money spent badly in Medicine just like O&G, or other industries. perhaps more attention needs to be paid to trying to streamline the processes. I know the time I spent in O&G this was front and centre. Gaining efficiencies through actually measuring the processes and using leading vs lagging indicators brought the cost per barrel down and can likely do the same in Medicine to provide care faster. I don’t think the answer is cutting and then say “do better” to the staff or cutting and just saying “go pay for it yourself patient” is the real answer.

If a party ever said “We’re going to take some O&G royalty revenue, head hunt some experts from across the various industries to work with AHS (and absolutely NOT bring in a big consulting firm who is just going to bill), to streamline processes and ultimately drive down cost and wait times. We’re going to do this for the first two years of our term and our big goal is <keep the AHS budget level by decreasing admin costs, allowing us to hire more frontline staff, while decreasing wait times by x>. We’ll then evaluate and double down if we see results or course correct as required.” That party would get my vote. That would be a moonshot like approach. Perhaps this has been tried in Medicine and I just don’t know because it isn’t my field. If not, that’s what I want from our politicians.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Speaking of results, where are you watching? I tuned into CBC for a couple of minutes and it was awful. Really awkward panels. Trying CTV now.

Watching here, seems good so far. Switched from CBC which I agree wasn't good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPRv0P9IJoU

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Looch City

You god damn socialist!!

McCarthyism! Kevin McCarthyism!

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

The amount of oil and fellating going on in this thread is nutty and feels like a time machine to 2004. The vast majority of Albertans don't work in the sector, and continuing the resource roller coaster is only kicking the pain can down the hallway.

Further a few days ago their were articles going around here a few days ago about how the NDP had the most positive impact on the industry since Lougheed, with lots of graphs and examples. So googling some opinionated analysis isn't exactly a slam dunk for your argument.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Bonded

So you think a conservative government would have been able to sustain investments through a down trending commodity cycle. Got yah.
#### yeah, pump that oil while we can, just make sure some of it is actually redistributed to Albertans. Billions to subsidize the oil industry, that’s governments job. Subsidize education, nah that’s impossible and runs off fairy dust and only lazy people are poor lol. I think we can leave it at agree to disagree.

I never said this.

I'm done responding to you, as you said agree to disagree even though I don't actually disagree with everything you are saying. But you're stuck in me vs. them mentality no nuance at all.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

I am all for Alberta diversifying but this province would die without the energy sector.

Don’t bite the hand that has fed us for so long.

It’s gonna die then. Because I’ve got news for you about the supply.

Meanwhile though, Notley has supported the industry despite propaganda to the contrary. She fell victim to the price crash which was world wide.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Do you not see how the second statement you made discredits the first one?

No I do not. Not everyones motivation is money. Thinking that if small sectors of our healthcare were allowed to be privatized that suddenly all our doctors would quit the public system is such an extreme jump to make.

Do you think that people who become doctors do so solely do it for the money, or do you believe that at least a majority do so to help people?

And do you feel that someone being paid 280k is underpaid?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by zamler

6% of Canadians live at or below the poverty line I accept that as poverty.

I am saying simply I don't know anyone that works hard (full time job) and are poor. Do you? And if so where do they work and why are they in poverty?

Originally Posted by zamler

I never said this.

Seriously? It is in this thread

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It’s gonna die then. Because I’ve got news for you about the supply.

Meanwhile though, Notley has supported the industry despite propaganda to the contrary. She fell victim to the price crash which was world wide.

Ya she started to come around to it near the end once she realized how $&@%ed she was without it. Go figure.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Seriously? It is in this thread

As I said, no nuance you're just looking for a fight. I said I don't know anyone.....MY experience. Is that hard to understand? I can't speak in general, how can I?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Patek23

Albertan doctors average 280k a year according to a quick google search. Do people really think that allowing some privatization to relieve the backlogs is going to have all these physicians quitting their 280k jobs? Opening up semi-privatized doctors would bring people in IMO not have exisiting doctors leave is some exodus.

My main goal is to have quick healthcare for all. My concern is by pumping more money into the health care system are we sure it is going to be efficient use when there is a great deal of administrative bloat? maybe I'm naive but I can't see how creating a private sector ALONG with the current public system isn't a net benefit, People who can afford to pay will do so and take off the pressure from those who can't and need the public system.

What makes you think the UCP will do this effectively?

Let’s look at lab services. Smith chose to privatize lab services into a monopoly under dynalife rather than having the public and private sector compete and price check each other. Monopolies lead to higher prices and the only thing worse than a public monopoly is a private one.

In general I am in favour of private sector involvement under a few conditions. Where people have frequent contact with the system they can make an informed choice and where competition exists.

So privatizing a hospital where the private sector will deliver publicly funded services doesn’t do much whereas family doctors are a good use of private delivery and publicly funded.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Ya she started to come around to it near the end once she realized how $&@%ed she was without it. Go figure.

So what makes you think she'll make the same mistake twice, especially when she has proclaimed support for O&G?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Patek23

No I do not. Not everyones motivation is money. Thinking that if small sectors of our healthcare were allowed to be privatized that suddenly all our doctors would quit the public system is such an extreme jump to make.

Do you think that people who become doctors do so solely do it for the money, or do you believe that at least a majority do so to help people?

And do you feel that someone being paid 280k is underpaid?

I think you’re missing what I’m saying, if the 280k salary is enough to deter doctor’s currently working in the public system from going to private practice for the money, why wouldn’t it already be enough to attract doctors to come work here?

[Muta]

After some of the insane parties I was invited to while dating someone in O+G and the routine spending on irrelevant things, I have limited sympathy for the 'woe is me' argument that sometimes comes out of that industry (or at least what the UCP likes to defend them as such). That said, I am a huge O+G supporter overall and believe the NDP have really come a long way in understanding the importance of that industry and would let it thrive. UCP is just 'boogeymaning' them on this topic because they know ignorant, uneducated people will listen to anything they say.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by #-3

Further a few days ago their were articles going around here a few days ago about how the NDP had the most positive impact on the industry since Lougheed, with lots of graphs and examples. So googling some opinionated analysis isn't exactly a slam dunk for your argument.

What analysis? It's my opinion. And I worked in the industry. No analysis needed. The amount of oil/gas love is almost like a cult. These companies will drop you like a bad habit the minute they don't make money. They have no onus to go e you a job or keep you paid during the bad times. Remember 2015? They brought the pain.

This isn't rocket science, my son.

[GGG]

This is my favourite part of election night when they get two and three votes and try to play it up as news.

[dsavillian]

Not to interrupt ya'll, but results are rolling in

[Firebot]

Voted NDP. I took a picture but realized it's not allowed so won't post it.

Smith and the UCP has not shown capable to run this province (quite the contrary), and simply not voting isn't enough as I feel the fringe right has taken over and are extremely dangerous for this province. It's a protest vote, the NDP is the lesser of the two evils, but it's a vote nevertheless and the NDP as is, is currently closer to my viewpoint versus whatever the UCP has become.