2019-20 Stamps and CFL off-season thread

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

The Bombers are a community owned team with a better stadium and more engaged fan base turning profits. I guess I take issue with the same old bull#### this forum churns out never missing an opportunity to rank Winnipeg in a second class like done above.

Community owned certainly doesn't mean a better situation...in fact it often points to private ownership not wanting to invest in that franchise because it isnt a stable situation.

The Stamps make money, dont kid yourself. They may not make as much as the Riders, because no one does, but they are far from unstable. Fact is they dont need to make as much because of the ownership.

As for the stadium...no kidding. McMahon is the worst stadium in pro sports.

As for your inferiority complex about Winnipeg, I can't really offer you much. It is what it is. A small city in the middle of the prairies that has brutal winters and untenable summers. The people are fine though.

Their sport teams are rivals of Calgary. Not sure you should expect much more than what you see....people loathe the jets and the Bombers. Good.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

The Bombers are a community owned team with a better stadium and more engaged fan base turning profits. I guess I take issue with the same old bull#### this forum churns out never missing an opportunity to rank Winnipeg in a second class like done above.

LOL do all Winnipeg fans have ultra-thin skin like you? A poster here that claims he's had discussions with CFL execs says the Bombers break even or make little profit in a discussion about the overall welfare of the league and you take that as some second class slight and come back swinging like a petulant child. You certainly to Winnipeg fans a disservice on this forum.

[tvp2003]

So, what if the rubber hits the road and in order to save the league we have to ax a few teams.

BC, Edmonton, Calgary in the west; Winnipeg, Hamilton and Ottawa in the east. Have a 4 or 5 round dispersal draft for Montreal and Toronto players, and the rest automatically become property of Ottawa and Hamilton, respectively (not that Hamilton needs the help, but due to geography it might make sense not to displace players too far).

Could the CFL work as a 6-league team? 12 game regular season (play your division three times, the other division twice), and then everyone makes the playoffs (division winner gets a bye and hosts the division final)?

Just spitballing… if the CFL is serious about "paying back" any relief funds, they can't have 25% of their franchises bleeding out tens of millions each year...

EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot about Saskatchewan. Okay, maybe an eight team league. Let Toronto and Montreal combine teams or something...

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

So, what if the rubber hits the road and in order to save the league we have to ax a few teams.

BC, Edmonton, Calgary in the west; Winnipeg, Hamilton and Ottawa in the east. Have a 4 or 5 round dispersal draft for Montreal and Toronto players, and the rest automatically become property of Ottawa and Hamilton, respectively (not that Hamilton needs the help, but due to geography it might make sense not to displace players too far).

Could the CFL work as a 6-league team? 12 game regular season (play your division three times, the other division twice), and then everyone makes the playoffs (division winner gets a bye and hosts the division final)?

Just spitballing… if the CFL is serious about "paying back" any relief funds, they can't have 25% of their franchises bleeding out tens of millions each year...

Highly unlikely.

[Julio]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5560467

Winnipeg has made operational profits the last few years, but that money isn't retained by the team, instead it goes towards paying for the new stadium. All profits have to go to that for the next 4 decades.

https://winnipegsun.com/sports/footb...ntly-from-2017

Given that, i would suggest that the Bombers are in a more precarious position that the Stamps, if only because the Stampeders have more of a financial backstop given it's ownership group.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Community owned certainly doesn't mean a better situation...in fact it often points to private ownership not wanting to invest in that franchise because it isnt a stable situation.

The Stamps make money, dont kid yourself. They may not make as much as the Riders, because no one does, but they are far from unstable. Fact is they dont need to make as much because of the ownership.

As for the stadium...no kidding. McMahon is the worst stadium in pro sports.

As for your inferiority complex about Winnipeg, I can't really offer you much. It is what it is. A small city in the middle of the prairies that has brutal winters and untenable summers. The people are fine though.

Their sport teams are rivals of Calgary. Not sure you should expect much more than what you see....people loathe the jets and the Bombers. Good.

Between Lepisic, couple others ive met from there and this poster, they're not that fine.

Anyways, if Toronto is not in the CFL you can bet TSN won't be part of it either.

At first I thought this is ridiculous for them to be asking for a handout but then if you think about it, CFL employs a fair bit of ppl in each market. You remove those employees and they go on EI as well. Now it won't equal $150 million in cost but between lost tax revenue + EI handout, it would put in a significant dent.

From the arena negotiations we've seen CSEC doesn't really care about the Stamps. I wouldn't be surprised if ownership changed hands after all this.

One thing is for sure though, if CFL can survive this they'll be ok in the long run with all other secondary leagues going belly up. I bet a drop in salary cap will be right around the corner but for those American players with NFL dreams they'd still come up here for another shot at it.

See how this turns out.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

The Bombers are a community owned team with a better stadium and more engaged fan base turning profits. I guess I take issue with the same old bull#### this forum churns out never missing an opportunity to rank Winnipeg in a second class like done above.

You would think a more engaged fan base would translate to putting butts in seats, but the following graphic says otherwise...

[Cheese]

I would bet dollars to donuts that if the CFL had to fold its doors the NFL would ride in, cash in hand, to make it a farm league to the NFL. Stadiums and fans at the ready!

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Cheese

I would bet dollars to donuts that if the CFL had to fold its doors the NFL would ride in, cash in hand, to make it a farm league to the NFL. Stadiums and fans at the ready!

I highly doubt it. They already have NCAA. They don't need a farm league.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Cheese

I would bet dollars to donuts that if the CFL had to fold its doors the NFL would ride in, cash in hand, to make it a farm league to the NFL. Stadiums and fans at the ready!

The NFL would have zero use for that or they would have already done it and beat out the CFL.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Cheese

I would bet dollars to donuts that if the CFL had to fold its doors the NFL would ride in, cash in hand, to make it a farm league to the NFL. Stadiums and fans at the ready!

I could actually see Bell/TSN buying the league if it came to it.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I highly doubt it. They already have NCAA. They don't need a farm league.

College players age out, and the ones that don't make the NFL need to go somewhere. Right now, that's the CFL and there's more than a few college stars that became NFL late bloomers after a stint in the CFL. Not sure there's much else out there at that level.

I also agree that if anything happened to the CFL, you might see a formal NFL Reserve League established out of the CFL with some US teams tossed in. Markets and franchises are established. The downside is that a lot of die hard CFL fans might reject NFL div 2 status and you may not see much in the way of attendance.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

College players age out, and the ones that don't make the NFL need to go somewhere. Right now, that's the CFL and there's more than a few college stars that became NFL late bloomers after a stint in the CFL. Not sure there's much else out there at that level.

I also agree that if anything happened to the CFL, you might see a formal NFL Reserve League established out of the CFL with some US teams tossed in. Markets and franchises are established. The downside is that a lot of die hard CFL fans might reject NFL div 2 status and you may not see much in the way of attendance.

I don't think the NFL views the CFL as anything really.

They get 1 maybe 2 players a year that can crack an active roster? Why would they invest in that? Especially when any player coming from the CFL is going to have a shorter career anyway.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I don't think the NFL views the CFL as anything really.

They get 1 maybe 2 players a year that can crack an active roster? Why would they invest in that? Especially when any player coming from the CFL is going to have a shorter career anyway.

simple, they can place multiple NFL TS players on a CFL roster. Hell they could assign players from 3 NFL teams to each CFL team and leave them to mature a bit. Better to have a 3rd string QB taking actual reps in real action then holding clipboards all the time or playing as Taxi Squad opposing QB.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

College players age out, and the ones that don't make the NFL need to go somewhere. Right now, that's the CFL and there's more than a few college stars that became NFL late bloomers after a stint in the CFL. Not sure there's much else out there at that level.

I also agree that if anything happened to the CFL, you might see a formal NFL Reserve League established out of the CFL with some US teams tossed in. Markets and franchises are established. The downside is that a lot of die hard CFL fans might reject NFL div 2 status and you may not see much in the way of attendance.

The NFL doesn't need a farm league for development of players because of the number of players coming out of college year after year, and the number of free agents floating out there because of non guaranteed contracts. They don't need to develop draft picks in the same way. Its why they have a practice roster for the better ones.


I doubt they'd have much interest in buying the Canadian Football league or setting up their own farm team up here. Plus there would be rules in terms of Canadian Players that the government would want enforced and the NFL would laugh at.


I agree that the TSN TV contract and coverage really does hinge on Toronto being an active part of the league.


I doubt that Bell would be interested in running a whole league. They would be interested in a team, but not the difficulties of running an entire league.


Maybe Vince McMahon needs to revist buying the CFL and creating his own XFL North.



If the Government doesn't step in and the league folds, they'll end up having to pick of the costs of the stadiums that would lose a large part of their revenue.



I mean if the Government can fire $600 million at art and amateur sports this should be a no brainer, considering the league has stated that they would work to pay back any help from the government.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Cheese

simple, they can place multiple NFL TS players on a CFL roster. Hell they could assign players from 3 NFL teams to each CFL team and leave them to mature a bit. Better to have a 3rd string QB taking actual reps in real action then holding clipboards all the time or playing as Taxi Squad opposing QB.

Only way that would even be remotely interesting would be if the "NFL North" plays to NFL rules, and they can get rid of the Import/non import rule.



At that point it wouldn't be all that interesting for me. Plus with the costs to establish the ticket prices would move into another stratosphere.


The NFL doesn't develop QB's in the same way that sports like Hockey develops prospects.



Either they come in as a high draft pick and start. Or they spend time on the practice roster and get occasional snaps. But they're available in case of injuries.



The rest bounce around as free agents.



Usually the QB's that you get from the draft are already developed on the physical fundementals of the game. Its a question of adapting to a system. So if they wanted to develop QB's they would want them to develop in NFL pro systems on NFL sized fields, with NFL formations and routes.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

College players age out, and the ones that don't make the NFL need to go somewhere. Right now, that's the CFL and there's more than a few college stars that became NFL late bloomers after a stint in the CFL. Not sure there's much else out there at that level.

I also agree that if anything happened to the CFL, you might see a formal NFL Reserve League established out of the CFL with some US teams tossed in. Markets and franchises are established. The downside is that a lot of die hard CFL fans might reject NFL div 2 status and you may not see much in the way of attendance.

This is a rosey Canadian view of what the CFL means to the NFL, haha. This isn't the 90's/early 2000's. Now a days the NFL gets what - a dozen players that battle for legitimate spots in training camp, and then 3-4 that make active rosters? All of them replacement level or slightly above? That is as close to literally nothing as you can get.

[jayswin]

The relationship isn't so much "What are we missing from this great league up north, let's get lots of eyes up there and bid on the best" as much as it's "Yeah, you guys can send your top percentile to tryouts and we'll see if anyone's worth tossing into training camp from there".

[Corral]

150 million seems like nothing compared to what the feds are spending elsewhere. For sure the feds will not want to be remembered as the government that let the grey cup go extinct. There will be some scrutiny of the actual dollar ask and then money will flow. As it should. The cfl is a Canadian institution and must survive this mess.

[White Out 403]

It's incredibly disappointing reading social media discussion about this. So many Torontonians wishing the league would die so they can get the NFL. ####.