[Signing] Flames sign Tkachuk (3 yrs, $7 mil AAV)

[dino7c]

I will make a pube bet that the Flames make a deal this season

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

No moron would make that trade. Non-morons? Every day of the week.

Lol, good response.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Lots of people in that discussion thread were insistent that Tkachuk gave as little crap about his line mate for 3 years, Frolik, as they did. That Tkachuk would pursue top dollar, and tough crap to Treliving for ‘mismanaging the cap’. Some very wrong opinions in there, for sure.

He wants to win with this team, sees unfinished business, and is a good team guy. Glad to see him back

"Some very wrong opinions". LOL Barry.

I have no doubt Tkachuk is a team guy and likes his teammates but I see little evidence of a discount here. He is getting market rate for a three year deal no doubt IMO. If he had been willing to take a discount then Flames would be able to add a player at the deadline without shipping someone out.

The idea that the team and Tkachuk would have been able to agree to a long term deal were it not for Tkachuk's desire to avoid the Flames having to move out another player? Well that seems very unlikely given what has happened in the market.

Tkachuk is a smart and well spoken guy. I imagine his teammates like him and he is good at representing the club. Those were great talking points and good for him and his team highlighting those in a press conference. But to say Tkachuk didn't pursue "top dollar" doesn't seem accurate IMO.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

"Some very wrong opinions". LOL Barry.

I have no doubt Tkachuk is a team guy and likes his teammates but I see little evidence of a discount here. He is getting market rate for a three year deal no doubt IMO. If he had been willing to take a discount then Flames would be able to add a player at the deadline without shipping someone out.

The idea that the team and Tkachuk would have been able to agree to a long term deal were it not for Tkachuk's desire to avoid the Flames having to move out another player? Well that seems very unlikely given what has happened in the market.

Tkachuk is a smart and well spoken guy. I imagine his teammates like him and he is good at representing the club. Those were great talking points and good for him and his team highlighting those in a press conference. But to say Tkachuk didn't pursue "top dollar" doesn't seem accurate IMO.

This as is absolutely correct, Tkachuk chased every last dollar he could and received top dollar on a 3-year deal. And there is nothing wrong with that. A longer deal was never likely ever in the cards as the Flames simply could not fit what he wanted into today's cap. It's the same reason most of the RFA's are signing 3-year deals, it has a smaller current cap hit.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

"Some very wrong opinions". LOL Barry.

I have no doubt Tkachuk is a team guy and likes his teammates but I see little evidence of a discount here. He is getting market rate for a three year deal no doubt IMO. If he had been willing to take a discount then Flames would be able to add a player at the deadline without shipping someone out.

The idea that the team and Tkachuk would have been able to agree to a long term deal were it not for Tkachuk's desire to avoid the Flames having to move out another player? Well that seems very unlikely given what has happened in the market...

You are the only person talking about a discount, here. Agreeing to a shorter term that provides cap flexibility is something entirely different. Please explain how this is "unlikely"? It seems eminently plausible that the following conversation transpired:

Treliving: "We can't do a five or six year deal without moving a player before 3 October."
Tkachuk & Newport: "How much can you offer on a three or four year term?"

[Buff]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Your point was that it was hilarious that people were discussing trade possibilities. There might not be trades this season, that is correct and goes without saying. There also might be trades this season, so hence why it is not ridiculous to talk about.

Right? Like, what is this, a place for discussions?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You are the only person talking about a discount, here. Agreeing to a shorter term that provides cap flexibility is something entirely different. Please explain how this is "unlikely"? It seems eminently plausible that the following conversation transpired:

Treliving: "We can't do a five or six year deal without moving a player before 3 October."
Tkachuk & Newport: "How much can you offer on a three or four year term?"

Well the post I quoted mocked anyone suggesting Tkachuk would be interested in 'top dollar' So I guess I see something below top dollar as a discount. IMO Tkachuk received 'top dollar'.

As for your characterization of the negotiation, it seems rather simplistic. But when do you suppose Treliving brought that fact up? Because I heard they had been working on a long term deal for much of the summer which would always require moving salary out.

At some point Tkachuk had a change of heart? That is certainly possible. Or maybe they couldn't agree on the numbers for a long term deal, like nearly all of the other RFA deals. Do you really believe they would have been able to agree to a long term deal, but Tkachuk backed off because he didn't want to see someone traded?

I'm not denying Tkachuk cares about his teammates. I'm just not seeing the evidence of people's opinions of Tkachuk seeking 'top dollar' being objectively wrong.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Well the post I quoted mocked anyone suggesting Tkachuk would be interested in 'top dollar' So I guess I see something below top dollar as a discount. IMO Tkachuk received 'top dollar'.

Agreed.

As for your characterization of the negotiation, it seems rather simplistic. But when do you suppose Treliving brought that fact up? Because I heard they had been working on a long term deal for much of the summer which would always require moving salary out.

At some point Tkachuk had a change of heart? That is certainly possible. Or maybe they couldn't agree on the numbers for a long term deal, like nearly all of the other RFA deals. Do you really believe they would have been able to agree to a long term deal, but Tkachuk backed off because he didn't want to see someone traded?

Who knows what happened? I certainly don't pretend to, beyond what we have heard directly from the parties involved. I remain convinced that Tkachuk wants to be in Calgary long-term, and that Calgary wants to sign Tkachuk to a long-term deal.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Agreed.


Who knows what happened? I certainly don't pretend to, beyond what we have heard directly from the parties involved. I remain convinced that Tkachuk wants to be in Calgary long-term, and that Calgary wants to sign Tkachuk to a long-term deal.

I don’t disagree with you TC. I don’t really know where Tkachuk wants to play over the course of his career but he certainly seems happy here. I also think he, like the vast majority of athletes and other people, want to be paid what they're worth. And yeah I bet Calgary would like him here on a long term deal, no question about it.

[Flash Walken]

Agreeing to a shorter term was advantageous to Tkachuk, that's why he agreed to it.

It became obvious the Flames weren't able to offer him an AAV that would allow them to start the season with an intact roster. The Flames most certainly did not want a 3 year term for Tkachuk, but it's the only thing that was available to them because of the lack of cap space.

Of course Tkachuk agreed to that deal, he gets 9 million in 2 years and then signs as a free agent anywhere he wants a year after that.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Agreeing to a shorter term was advantageous to Tkachuk, that's why he agreed to it.

It became obvious the Flames weren't able to offer him an AAV that would allow them to start the season with an intact roster. The Flames most certainly did not want a 3 year term for Tkachuk, but it's the only thing that was available to them because of the lack of cap space.

Of course Tkachuk agreed to that deal, he gets 9 million in 2 years and then signs as a free agent anywhere he wants a year after that.

Tkachuk literally said that he wanted to sign a long-term deal with the Flames and Brad convinced him to take a shorter one as the season got closer.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Agreeing to a shorter term was advantageous to Tkachuk, that's why he agreed to it.

It became obvious the Flames weren't able to offer him an AAV that would allow them to start the season with an intact roster. The Flames most certainly did not want a 3 year term for Tkachuk, but it's the only thing that was available to them because of the lack of cap space.

Of course Tkachuk agreed to that deal, he gets 9 million in 2 years and then signs as a free agent anywhere he wants a year after that.

Or he signs a long term extension...or he gets traded. Lots of options other than the sky is falling.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I will make a pube bet that the Flames make a deal this season

I’m ashamed that our fellow CP posters let this nugget slide.

What exactly are we talking about here? What deal would qualify?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Well the post I quoted mocked anyone suggesting Tkachuk would be interested in 'top dollar' So I guess I see something below top dollar as a discount. IMO Tkachuk received 'top dollar'.

As for your characterization of the negotiation, it seems rather simplistic. But when do you suppose Treliving brought that fact up? Because I heard they had been working on a long term deal for much of the summer which would always require moving salary out.

At some point Tkachuk had a change of heart? That is certainly possible. Or maybe they couldn't agree on the numbers for a long term deal, like nearly all of the other RFA deals. Do you really believe they would have been able to agree to a long term deal, but Tkachuk backed off because he didn't want to see someone traded?

I'm not denying Tkachuk cares about his teammates. I'm just not seeing the evidence of people's opinions of Tkachuk seeking 'top dollar' being objectively wrong.

Cool, the sun popped out and my shadow appeared.

Tkachuk himself said they arrived at an understanding fairly quickly about the structure that would work for the team. The interviews are available.

Treliving articulates the consequences of a longer term larger cap hit deal on the team and Tkachuk respected the team’s position and worked with it. So I commented that posters who thought Tkachuk would and should pursue top dollar and let Tre sleep in his bed. Big deal. They were wrong.

Some of us discussed it, used logic to arrive at that conclusion that, guess what, ended up playing out, and that was confirmed by the principals. Cool.

By pursuing top dollar I meant cap hit.

I actually even had the self confidence to vote in the poll. Not mocking anybody. Just saying. I think 3x6 is the closest available answer to correct, too.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I will make a pube bet that the Flames make a deal this season

Whose pubes?

Aaron Ward was on board to donate his last time if I recall.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I actually even had the self confidence to vote in the poll. Not mocking anybody. Just saying. I think 3x6 is the closest available answer to correct, too.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I actually even had the self confidence to vote in the poll. Not mocking anybody. Just saying. I think 3x6 is the closest available answer to correct, too.

Liar!


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[united]

Awesome news, and a fair contract. How great is it hearing his words about keeping teammates around? Wow.

If anything, Tkachuk is underrated due to the tremendous affect he has in all three zones and all the little things he does that go relatively unnoticed - his slip passes and creative purposeful chips are top tier in the entire league which makes breakouts and the cycle seem effortless when he's involved.

Further to his play on the ice, he brings many intangibles off the ice, too. Always shows up ready for work, takes care of himself in the gym and with nutrition, fantastic human, active in the community, by all accounts approachable by fans of all ages, well-spoken.

The Flames are lucky to have him and I hope the Flames are the only team he ever plays for.