[PGT] Flames 5 Oilers 7

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He's not wrong.

The question I have is: who is the one person who is in a position to do something about that?

IMO, Gulutzan is condemning himself here.

And I'll take it in the other direction....

He is basically saying that he thinks the players need to relax and not get too emotional. But look at Hamilton. Dougie is trying to be as relaxed as possible - and it is making him look like he has no passion.

Hockey is a game that needs to be (and is best) played with emotion. But the Flames completely lack it right now. And IMO, that is all about his coaching style.

This team needs an 8hr film session watching the 2004 Flames to learn what playing with passion is, followed by Sutter walking in the room as the new coach.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Their record, in regulation, under Gulutzan"

41-44-23 regular season
0 - 3 - 1 in the playoffs.

Their OT heroics (they are 18-5 in OT and SOs) )have been carrying them, and disguising a rather lackluster overall performance.

There is no way in hell that this team should be under .500

And they have a (slightly) negative goal differential over that period. 111 games of, on average, pure mediocrity.

[Manhattanboy]

Drives me nuts and GG should lose his job over both losses to that joke of a franchise. Flames win both of those games and their season is over. Finished. Now look they are only 5 points back.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Reminds me a bit of Bouwmeester. Just doesn't have edge in him. He seems like a chill really good person - but that translates on the ice.
And I don't think you can create that.
He is who he is and has a lot of attributes that are both rare and important in the NHL.
I wish he would play with more edge too, but I think anyone expecting that to come suddenly will be forever frustrated.
He is who he is.

Yes, he is who he is. But players can still be coached to modify their play. And they can be utilized well, or poorly.

Gulutzan has Hamilton playing in a way that exactly minimizes his effectiveness. Hamilton is literally getting more passive with each game.

[browna]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

If the players tuned out the coaches we would have won.

My guess is they tuned him out, or rather, just went it on their instinct and basic structure, after the terrible (and vital) 6th goal against.

[Flamefan1]

Treliving IMO is a wonderful GM and has assembled a great team, unfortunately his worst move was hiring Gully and his crew of coaches. He hired the wrong coach from the Canuck organization. Unfortunately Gully does is not the right coach for this team or probably any NHL team. This team could go a long ways this season with the right coach.

Give me a break playing Brouwer on the pp. We have one great shot from the right point and that is Stone. With Stone firing bullets from the point we would be scoring a lot more pp goals. Stone would also have been a great improvement over Versteeg on the right point.

Many of us dedicated fans also advocated having Ferland on Gaud and Money's line long before Gully finally figured it out. I would not be surprised if it was actually Treliving telling Gully to play him on first line. Also Stajan needs to sit, Freddie needs to go to Stockton and Mangiapane or one of the other young guys called up.

I think the uncertainty of Freddie remaining on the team is hurting Doug as at times last night he was in another zone/place. Send Freddie and let Dougie grow up.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by edslunch

And they have a (slightly) negative goal differential over that period. 111 games of, on average, pure mediocrity.

It's not slightly. Again, being masked by OT. In regulation, they are -13.

That is not good enough to be a playoff team. OT is carrying them.

[Ashasx]

I think a major issue is the assistant coaches. While Gulutzan does across as a smart guy in interviews, Cameron and Jerrard come across as anything but, and more often than not I'll be shaking my head when I hear their post-game comments.

I'm not sure why we thought Cameron would be a good fit for a professional hockey team. The moment he left Ottawa, that team turned their fortunes around.

Amazing what a good or bad coach can do.

[Flash Walken]

Still can't get over Hamilton freakin' awful play last night.

Chris Butler levels of soft mixed with tanguay levels of not giving a ####.

Next level indifference in one of the most emotionally demanding games on the schedule.

Serious misgivings about him going forward. I'm struggling to come up with a performance from a major flame contributor that lackadaisical and emotionally indifferent.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by zamler

3rd period the system (whatever it actually is I have no idea) was abandoned. Team was much better and almost tied the game.

There was no system during that 5 or 7 minute scoring streak. The Flames were playing on instinct and adrenaline.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think a major issue is the assistant coaches. While Gulutzan does across as a smart guy in interviews, Cameron and Jerrard come across as anything but, and more often than not I'll be shaking my head when I hear their post-game comments.

I'm not sure why we thought Cameron would be a good fit for a professional hockey team. The moment he left Ottawa, that team turned their fortunes around.

Amazing what a good or bad coach can do.

It was painful to listen to Jerrard in the post game interview, real painful.

He had no concrete answers for any questions asked of him and he just sounded completely defeated.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

This team needs an 8hr film session watching the 2004 Flames to learn what playing with passion is, followed by Sutter walking in the room as the new coach.

Funny thing, that's exactly what happened in my dream last night. Woke up this morning, check CP right away to see if it really happened. Was disappointed

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

I'm not happy about that game but I don't see how people are going on about the "system" being abandoned leading to the Flames improving in that game. They got 2 goals from the icing line and another thanks to Russell (?) falling down. That has very little to do with the Flames raising their level, imo, and is even more of an indictment of the team given they were down 5 goals to an opponent that had an Anaheim Series Game 4 level Elliott-type in net. In addition to being down 5, they had at least 2 breakaway saves from Smith and at least 2 posts, if I recall correctly.

That game showed the coach had very little in the way of answers, and the players have very little in the way of self-motivation. Treliving must not have slept longer than 5 minutes last night. What a nightmare.

And I cringe at the Sutter suggestions. We're finally starting to see a franchise that is focusing on both sustainability and development of its prospects, with clear indications that they'll come to the NHL when warranted. Sutter doesn't work like that, and he's stubborn enough to undermine a GM if he wants.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Still can't get over Hamilton freakin' awful play last night.

Chris Butler levels of soft mixed with tanguay levels of not giving a ####.

Next level indifference in one of the most emotionally demanding games on the schedule.

Serious misgivings about him going forward. I'm struggling to come up with a performance from a major flame contributor that lackadaisical and emotionally indifferent.

Hamilton may very well be a very smart and likeable guy. But his on ice body language has always left me wondering if he has great passion for the game. Or maybe he cares too much but internalizes everything, putting pressure on himself.

The reasons are what they are but by God the Flames need a whole lot more from this best on paper defense corps.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Still can't get over Hamilton freakin' awful play last night.

Chris Butler levels of soft mixed with tanguay levels of not giving a ####.

Next level indifference in one of the most emotionally demanding games on the schedule.

Serious misgivings about him going forward. I'm struggling to come up with a performance from a major flame contributor that lackadaisical and emotionally indifferent.

This next level of depth he sunk to started IMO on the long trip. Giveaways, bumped off and losing easy puck battles around the net and behind the net, a step behind covering his man, was all over that trip and lead to a lot of goals and chances for the other team. Ho hum for him though.

Again, he would be exposed severely right now with this play, if he was paired with anyone other then the hardest working guy in Gio back there. But again, would he care or just regrets further, on the ice and emotionally?

[Azhouse]

Both teams were inept last night. I was on YouTube watching a hockey fight and fell into the wormhole of looking at Flames clips from the 80's for a while. No passion in the game anymore. The life has been sucked out of it.

[stone hands]

last night was ugly but you guys take losing to the oilers way way way way way way way way way way way too badly, it defies logic

[redforever]

Originally Posted by stone hands

last night was ugly but you guys take losing to the oilers way way way way way way way way way way way too badly, it defies logic

It does not. Nothing is more important than inter divisional games.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by stone hands

last night was ugly but you guys take losing to the oilers way way way way way way way way way way way too badly, it defies logic

You've been a staunch supporter of Gulutzan and critical of those who think he's a problem... what are your thoughts on last night's game, and where do you think the problems lie?

Also, over the course of an 82 game regular season, there are some games that are more important than others. HNIC against your fiercest rivals would be at or near the top of the list.

The other thing about last night and Tuesday against the Leafs, is having to endure opposing fans. It's all good fun when things are at least competitive, but when your team doesn't even show up, and you have to endure the unbridled revelry of the opposing fans, twice in 5 days, it gets pretty frustrating.

Telling others they take things too seriously probably isn't the most useful comment.

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by stone hands

last night was ugly but you guys take losing to the oilers way way way way way way way way way way way too badly, it defies logic

Easy to say when your not at the Dome and your team is playing like crap then you have to listen to dumb Oil fans chirping all game.