[Signing] Flames re-sign Stone (3 yrs, $3.5 mil AAV)

[Demetric]

i feel sorry for Anderson now, 3 years of waiting - as all RHD are signed for 3 more years, cheapest at 3.5 mil ... I guess can look to move if he is ready, likely not this year though

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Demetric

i feel sorry for Anderson now, 3 years of waiting - as all RHD are signed for 3 more years, cheapest at 3.5 mil ... I guess can look to move if he is ready, likely not this year though

Andersson is 20 years old, he still has plenty of development ahead of him.

Young players are not gifted roster spots, they win them by forcing the GMs hand. If Andersson is as good as many think then he'll do exactly that.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

If we move some d prospects...we will get awesome returns

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by Stanley

Because we're trying to ice a competitive team.

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[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by devo22

Andersson is 20 years old, he still has plenty of development ahead of him.

Young players are not gifted roster spots, they win them by forcing the GMs hand. If Andersson is as good as many think then he'll do exactly that.

Exactly. If Andersson is ready to force someone off the roster then we are laughing as we now have a very valuable trading chip. Internal competition is good. Gifting people roster spots is what cost the Oilers 6-8 years of rebuilding.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by devo22

Andersson is 20 years old, he still has plenty of development ahead of him.

Young players are not gifted roster spots, they win them by forcing the GMs hand. If Andersson is as good as many think then he'll do exactly that.

I agree. Either Stone is terrible and Anderson should be able to take his place, or Stone is good and this move is a positive for the team.

[IrishSpring2013]

Originally Posted by Demetric

i feel sorry for Anderson now, 3 years of waiting - as all RHD are signed for 3 more years, cheapest at 3.5 mil ... I guess can look to move if he is ready, likely not this year though

he was drafted just over two years ago.. he played AHL last year due to late birth date.. whats the Flippin rush...

[CsInMyBlood]

Excellent deal again by Mr. Treliving.

Wizard I tells ya.

Micheal Stone made 4M a year for the last two years.

He now makes 3.5.

Looks good to me.

We now have some insurance if one of the top 4 go down. Bartkowski and a rookie could be sheltered as the 3rd pairing with low minutes if it happened.

Best GM in the league? I honestly believe so. Show me one thats better.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by Demetric

i feel sorry for Anderson now, 3 years of waiting - as all RHD are signed for 3 more years, cheapest at 3.5 mil ... I guess can look to move if he is ready, likely not this year though

Didn't he show up to training camp out of shape the first 2 years? There isn't a team in the NHL that would have him pencilled into their roster before the season started.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

Now its time for Shattenkirk

Originally Posted by btimbit

I for one an A-OK with Treliving turning his phone off tomorrow. We're going to need that cap space next year to re-sign Backlund, and Treliving doesn't exactly have a stellar track record on July 1st



If his plan is to stack the D and let the forward group grow, I'm on board with that. Flames trouble wasn't scoring, it was getting scored on

Totally agree. I wouldn't have any problem with no Flames news tomorrow and watch other teams overpay guys like Alzner, Shattenkirk, Del Zotto, etc.

Originally Posted by btimbit

Adding Williams likely means bye-bye Backlund though

Nah, give him Stajan's soon to expiring 3.1 million bumps Backlund up to 6.6 million. Easily fits.

Originally Posted by burnitdown

Even factoring in the big win streak that happened when he got here, we were 13-10 with him in the lineup. That's essentially the same winning percentage as the rest of our season.

That's including playoffs where those 4 losses are squarely the fault of another guy who no longer plays for the team.

Originally Posted by burnitdown

Ha - I didn't know bringing back Wideman @ $5.5M was our only other option. How about bringing in a depth D for $1.5M to to round out our bottom 6 with Kulak and use the savings on forward, where we can definitely use the help?

Tell me what quality bottom pair Dman is coming here for 1.5?

Stone is a number 4 on almost every team and he's actually making less than last year. The only reason he's a #5 here is because Treliving is a wizard. Paying 3.5 for a middle pairing guy is totally reasonable. Especially with guys like Russell and Smith signing for over 4 million. Also sounds like Gulutzan wants his bottom pair at around 18 minutes.

Top pair = 22 minutes
Middle pair = 20 minutes
Bottom pair = 18 minutes

Keeps everyone rested, less chance for injury and the opposing team still has to face a stellar defensive pairing 70% of the time.

What's not to like?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

I agree. Either Stone is terrible and Anderson should be able to take his place, or Stone is good and this move is a positive for the team.

Well there is a range of outcomes in between and the 3.5 doesn't disappear if he's terrible... it presents a handicap to making subsequent improvements.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Treliving is on an absolute ROLL. I can't think of another time when a Flames GM (or any GM, for that matter) has had a week like this.

This settles it, I'm getting a Treliving jersey!

[Realistic]

I like it, injuries will happen during the season and he is more than capable to step up to the top four.

He's shown what he can do last season, let's hope it continues.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I'd be shocked if the blueline stayed healthy all year. Kulak, Andersson, these guys will get their chances this year to impress. Maybe not 20 minutes a game, but when they get let's hope they make an impression......they could always force BT to make a move. They are also so young still. There's really no downside here, IMO.

[MarkGio]

Such a bad signing. God they learned both from Smid and Engelland. Guys making this type of scratch playing 10 minutes a night on the bottom pair will never live up to this contract. I would've preferred Anderson and Murphy battling it out for Right D. Even Franson on a PTO.

Why do the Flames always clog their line ups with overpaid vets

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Well there is a range of outcomes in between and the 3.5 doesn't disappear if he's terrible... it presents a handicap to making subsequent improvements.

Except it doesn't... because if a better option presents itself internally, we can move Stone for pics.

In the meantime, it provides depth and experience and doesn't have us icing two question marks on the bottom pairing.

This has been pointed out to you several times and you keep ignoring it.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I tend to actually have statistical evidence to back up my views. You might not like the evidence, you might want to discount it (which, go nuts), but your constant visceral anger at having someone disagree with you for actual empirically based reasons is kind of revealing. It's every thread with you doing this foaming at the mouth routine.

Haha, so funny that you use the word empirically, which means verifiable by observation rather than theory, when we know that you don't actually watch, but just spout arguments based on theory from spreadsheets.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Top pair = 22 minutes
Middle pair = 20 minutes
Bottom pair = 18 minutes

Keeps everyone rested, less chance for injury and the opposing team still has to face a stellar defensive pairing 70% of the time.

What's not to like?

I'm guessing top 5 all play 21-22 minutes, 6th D gets 12 minutes.

[TheScorpion]

Just got out of my hockey game to this awesome news! I LOVE IT!

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

Don't think this is a good move, Stone was servicable with Brodie but has a history of really struggling if hes not playing with a top pairing guy

the term on this could be a real problem too, if any of the young guys turn out to be decent they will be better than Stone quickly, and then you have a 7th guy making 3.5m

If Stone becomes the 7th defenceman, the kids will have developed at an insane rate, over-taking a veteran guy which is a fantastic problem to have. I'd love for that to happen and I think the Stone deal is a great value signing.