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View Poll Results: Do you like the Lazar trade to Calgary?
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Love it
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9.53% |
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Like it
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54.04% |
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neutral
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29.48% |
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Don't like it
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Hate it
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03-01-2017, 01:56 PM
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#381
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
The guy was very ill to start the year then in and out of the lineup. I wouldn't read too much into those 33 games.
Put more stock into his 20 points in 76 games last season.
You know who has had similar stats the last couple seasons? Michael Ferland.
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and Mikael Backlund had 25 points in 73 games at about the same age Lazar is now. Glad we didn't give up on him, eh?
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03-01-2017, 01:56 PM
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#382
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by DropIt
Did you take time to read the exchange?
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Are you suggesting Polak's entire take here hasn't been rooted in hyperbole?
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03-01-2017, 01:56 PM
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#383
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Scoring Winger
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Doubt this makes the team any better right now. Can't see him push Brouwer out of the top 9. Better than Chiasson? Probably. But I'd rather see Hathaway on the fourth line.
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03-01-2017, 01:56 PM
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#384
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Scoring Winger
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Dear Chicken Little,
The Sky is NOT falling.
Brad Treliving.
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03-01-2017, 01:57 PM
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#385
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by yourbestfriend
What has Lazar done in the NHL to warrant pushing Bennett to the wing?
I'm not opposed to moving Bennett to the wing, but common, for Lazar? Hell no. He might not even make it into the line up let alone take Bennett's spot.
As an FYI, Bennett put more points in his rookie season than Lazar in 176games.
Show some faith
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Bennett put up more points in his rookie season on Lw. I'm nor saying Bennett needs to be a permanent winger. But a shift to Lw where he is historically better at producing points would be a big help.for the Flames right now.
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03-01-2017, 01:57 PM
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#386
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Oil Kings fan here who watched a lot of Lazar - one of my favourite junior players. Lazar got ill which seriously hampered his pro performance. He's a much better player than some are giving him credit for. I think his upside is solid third line with a slim chance of second line or he moves up due to injury above him. Think Bennett-light. He has good offensive skills and played a physical game in junior. He may not make it at all as a NHL regular but he's worth the gamble. He needed a change of scenery.
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03-01-2017, 01:57 PM
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#387
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 868904
Anyone remember that report that Todd Button had joined Don Maloney on a pro scouting trip? Was that to watch Lazar?
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No that was a Ducks/Kings game.
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03-01-2017, 01:58 PM
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#388
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Lifetime Suspension
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Hopefully he is as Sven is to Vancouver.
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03-01-2017, 01:59 PM
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#389
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I forgot about the Dave Cameron connection until I listened to the TSN interview with lazar.
Flames likely had a better read on Lazar as a pro than any other team aside from the Sens.
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03-01-2017, 02:00 PM
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#390
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by GoJetsGo
Are you suggesting Polak's entire take here hasn't been rooted in hyperbole?
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"All that means is that Ottawa is stupid and rushed him. GP doesn't mean anything if you don't produce."
"I'm saying it has more value than a guy who has 1 point this year in 33 games."
"How am I going Hyperbole?
Cause I don't like the trade and would rather keep the pick or spend it on something else? "
" Originally Posted by BeltlineFan View Post
Disappointed. That 2nd could have been a Tim Ramholt or Mitch Wahl.
Disappointed. That 2nd could have been a PK Subban or Patrice Bergeron.
Basically, if you were going up to the podium on draft day in the 2nd round and you knew that the guy on the board would have 36 points in his first 176 games, would you still take him even if his junior stats were good?
Not the end of the world I just don't like the trade."
"Lazars stats look like he's struggled every year? 6 goals and 20 points is his career high.
For a 2nd?
Bleh. Swing and a miss unless he has a total turnaround here."
Such Hyperbole.
If you ran a poll and proposed this trade before it happened I don't think any of you would like it. But of course if the Flames do it, you have to love it 
Trade is getting ripped on around the league by the way.
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03-01-2017, 02:01 PM
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#391
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Franchise Player
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its a calculated risk....and if you run the numbers its good for the Flames
like all risks there is a chance it doesn't work out
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03-01-2017, 02:02 PM
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#392
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome
That's gotta be the most expensive 4th line in Flames history, possibly the league.
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But a super cheap third line.
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03-01-2017, 02:02 PM
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#393
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by polak
???
"All that means is that Ottawa is stupid and rushed him. GP doesn't mean anything if you don't produce."
"I'm saying it has more value than a guy who has 1 point this year in 33 games."
"How am I going Hyperbole?
Cause I don't like the trade and would rather keep the pick or spend it on something else? "
" Originally Posted by BeltlineFan View Post
Disappointed. That 2nd could have been a Tim Ramholt or Mitch Wahl.
Disappointed. That 2nd could have been a PK Subban or Patrice Bergeron.
Basically, if you were going up to the podium on draft day in the 2nd round and you knew that the guy on the board would have 36 points in his first 176 games, would you still take him even if his junior stats were good?
Not the end of the world I just don't like the trade."
"Lazars stats look like he's struggled every year? 6 goals and 20 points is his career high.
For a 2nd?
Bleh. Swing and a miss unless he has a total turnaround here."
Such Hyperbole.
If you ran a poll and proposed this trade before it happened I don't think any of you would like it. But of course if the Flames do it, you have to love it
Trade is getting ripped on around the league by the way. |
Again, I don't think you know what hyperbole even means.
You made your point, yet you continue to whine away. Same thing you do relentlessly in game threads. So great to have you back.
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03-01-2017, 02:03 PM
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#394
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Red Deer, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GoJetsGo
Are you suggesting Polak's entire take here hasn't been rooted in hyperbole?
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Im suggesting if one can write off anow unused pick as a Mitchell Wahl then it can be fairly stated as a Subban as well
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03-01-2017, 02:03 PM
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#395
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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I voted neutral for now, simply because I don't know much about Lazar.
But having Cameron's inside view is certainly reassuring. It'd be nice if Lazar had an impact this year and forced the Flames to protect him over Brouwer, or trade an asset to protect him.
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03-01-2017, 02:03 PM
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#396
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Crash and Bang Winger
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From 1990 to 2010 the Flames drafted 21 players in the second round. 17 players played a combined total of 192 games in the NHL for 16 goals and 58 assists. The other 4 players were Jamie Allison with 372 games, Steve Begin with 524 games, Blair Betts with 477 games and Kurtis Foster with 405 games. The second pick isn't worth much in my opinion.
Curtis Lazar has same stats as Michael Ferland if you take away the last 10 games Ferland has played. Numbers in junior were comparable but one guy was drafted in the first round while the other in the 5th round.
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03-01-2017, 02:03 PM
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#397
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Last edited by sureLoss; 03-01-2017 at 02:12 PM.
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03-01-2017, 02:05 PM
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#398
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12
and Mikael Backlund had 25 points in 73 games at about the same age Lazar is now. Glad we didn't give up on him, eh?
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Everyone keeps citing the odds of a 2nd round draft pick only being 10% likely to play more than 100 games.
I bet the odds for a guy who had a career high of 20 points and has regressed since and only has 1 point this year suddenly turning it around and becoming Mikael Backlund are a lot less than 10%.
But hey, maybe the change in scenery is what he needs. Still seems like a high price to pay.
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03-01-2017, 02:05 PM
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#399
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Originally Posted by Yamer
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Haha, just got this now. Nice.
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03-01-2017, 02:05 PM
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#400
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DropIt
Im suggesting if one can write off anow unused pick as a Mitchell Wahl then it can be fairly stated as a Subban as well
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except that's a false equivalency.
chances that the 2nd turn into Wahl are many, many times more likely than it turning into Subban.
if those outcomes were equal, no one would ever trade draft picks
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