The Stephan trial and evidence-based healthcare

[CaptainCrunch]

I feel nothing but disgust for these two ignorant people. I'm of the mindset that they are unfit parents and as part of their sentencing their kids should have been removed from their care and put in a environment that isn't based in 18th century voodoo magic. Why because they're passing their stupidity onto their kids.

These two refuse to take any responsibility for killing their son, and they did kill their son. They actually refused to listen to a medical practitioner that didn't carry jars of leaches and mustard salve in their medical kit who said. Hey man, your kid is deathly ill, maybe get them to a actually doctor that doesn't dance around a fire worshiping mother nature.

The fact that they took their kid to a naturopathy clinic instead of a real clinic is a real shock to the system.

On top of it these two idiots, and this is where I really get angry, were marketing and selling holistic cures for serious mental illnesses.

Personally I do believe that the whole industry needs to be heavily regulated because it sells falls hopes and dupes the stupid with miracle cures.

I don't think that clinics should be allowed to practice unless there's a sign on the door that says "Most of the stuff that we do is BS, get your kids vaccinated."

As well, because these parents have shown no real remorse or attachment to the real world sentence them to 5 years of volunteer time in a cancer clinic or a mental facility, working with real doctors and nurses who aren't trying to suck peoples money out of their pockets with con cures that promise miracles and deliver BS.

In fact, these people make me wish that we could bring back stocks in the public square.

[Swift]

Man, I feel guilty afterwards when I raise my voice to my son. How are these people still not owning this?

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If the judge would have given then a longer sentence with parole eligibility set lower he could have sent the old man back to jail for breaking his conditions of release.

But I don't know what the judge can do now.

These people, I'm sorry, they're kinda scummy, they're putting their beliefs ahead of the fact that they without a doubt killed their son.

I read the crown is appealing the sentence as too lenient. so let's hope the appeals judge locks them up.
whoops. should have kept reading before replying as it's already posted.
agree with you on how disgusting it is what these people did, and continue to do.

[Fuzz]

Bare minimum, the government should see them as a threat to their other children. What happens if another one comes down with a deadly but curable illness? Will they use common sense this time? All evidence points to no, they will not. They have proven themselves to be unfit parents.

[troutman]

Advertising by some Manitoba chiropractors undermines public health, expert says

CBC News found many chiropractor websites containing statements at odds with public health advice

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manito...tors-1.4030574

Cracking Down on Chiropractic Pseudoscience

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/cra...pseudoscience/

The response of chiropractors, the chiropractic profession, and the regulatory agencies to the CBC investigation are shamefully inadequate. First, CBC News contacted many chiropractors for comment, and all refused. This is very telling – if they believed strongly in their services, and could support them with logic and evidence, they should be happy to talk to a news outlet about it. They should be especially interested in correcting the record or putting the CBC report into context, if they had anything useful to say.

Instead chiropractors generally act like cockroaches when you turn the lights on, they immediately scurry for cover. They appear to only want to talk to the public when they can freely promote their practice without fear of exposure or criticism. Otherwise they want to operate below the scientific radar.

The Manitoba Chiropractic Association also declined a request for an interview.

[PsYcNeT]

But let's not forget that the Klein government gave them the legal right to refer to themselves as "Doctors" after their 6-week class in a temporarily unused mall space before it got turned into a Halloween store.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

But let's not forget that the Klein government gave them the legal right to refer to themselves as "Doctors" after their 6-week class in a temporarily unused mall space before it got turned into a Halloween store.

The issue is that they often use Doctor out of the office setting and have opinions on health issues well outside their realm of "expertise".

I am a Doctor within my office and only within my defined scope.

I am Doctor of Eyes basically. Not going to give health advice to someone with a history of congestive heart failure or Autism.

Chiropractors have to try and expand their scope because physiotherapists largely provide the same thing as they do. Physiotherapists can slide into Pseudoscience as well. When i had a back injury following an accident mine tried cupping on me. I went with it for ####s and giggles and to freak out my wife with the welts it leaves. I knew it did jack-all. The Intramuscular stimulation worked great though and is science based.

[ernie]

Chiropractors grind my gears....well most of them. The one guy I went to for a bit was good because he never really did adjustments but rather the physio portion (mostly exercises and stimulation). His adjustments were more stretching rather than trying to get something to crack so it seems like they are doing something. Indeed it was successful for my lower back pain until the disc got too bad (the other good thing was losing 80 pounds such that it rarely bothers me too much now. Still constant discomfort but I live with it just fine.) The advantage was for some reason continuing chiropractic visits were covered by my insurance but physical therapy visits I had a limit of 5 (yay USA!). There was no "oh look your right leg is longer than the left today so lets pull on it for a bit and pretend it's the same length 5 minutes from now".

Then he retired and the new guy that took over his office was all "I can cure your asthma! I can cure your allergies!"

"What's that about allergies?"

"Come to me 3 times a week for a couple weeks and you'll notice your allergies will get better!"

"Oh you mean to tell me that in two weeks when oak season is done I won't have my oak allergy anymore? Funny how that works. Somehow I don't think cracking my back a few times helps."

I never went back nor did I ask how "adjusting" my bones would make the lining of the lungs not get inflamed when I'm exposed to a trigger. And no I'm not buying "nerve alignment".

[PepsiFree]

It takes a lot of strength for me on Facebook when a friend says, "I need a recommendation for a really good naturopath," not for me to respond with, "No you don't."

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by ernie

Chiropractors grind my gears....well most of them. Well the one guy was I went to for a bit was good because he never really did adjustments but rather the physio portion (mostly exercises and stimulation). His adjustments were more stretching rather than trying to get something to crack so it seems like they are doing something. Indeed it was successful for my lower back pain until the disc got too bad (the other good thing was losing 80 pounds such that it rarely bothers me too much now. Still constant discomfort but I live with it just fine.) The advantage was for some reason continuing chiropractic visits were covered by my insurance but physical therapy visits I had a limit of 5 (yay USA!). There was no "oh look your right leg is longer than the left today so lets pull on it for a bit and pretend it's the same length 5 minutes from now".

Then he retired and the new guy that took over his office was all "I can cure your asthma! I can cure your allergies!"

"What's that about allergies?"

"Come to me 3 times a week for a couple weeks and you'll notice your allergies will get better!"

"Oh you mean to tell me that in two weeks when oak season is done I won't have my oak allergy anymore? Funny how that works. Somehow I don't think cracking me back a few times."

I never went back nor did I ask how "adjusting" my bones would make the lining of the lungs not get inflamed when I'm exposed to a trigger. And no I'm not buying "nerve alignment".

No you see, there are vi...*pfff*...viruses in your spinal col...*uhhheheh*...column that are excised when he ad....*juuuuuhahahahahaha*

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Hes

The issue is that they often use Doctor out of the office setting and have opinions on health issues well outside their realm of "expertise".

I am a Doctor within my office and only within my defined scope.

I am Doctor of Eyes basically. Not going to give health advice to someone with a history of congestive heart failure or Autism not having mumps.

Chiropractors have to try and expand their scope because physiotherapists largely provide the same thing as they do. Physiotherapists can slide into Pseudoscience as well. When i had a back injury following an accident mine tried cupping on me. I went with it for ####s and giggles and to freak out my wife with the welts it leaves. I knew it did jack-all. The Intramuscular stimulation worked great though and is science based.

Fixed that for you.

[polak]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It takes a lot of strength for me on Facebook when a friend says, "I need a recommendation for a really good naturopath," not for me to respond with, "No you don't."

You think you have it bad? My mom wants to become one

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by polak

You think you have it bad? My mom wants to become one

Now is your chance to be useful to society. Stop the madness.

[troutman]

Encinitas woman dead after turmeric I-V infusion

http://www.10news.com/news/team-10/e...on-of-turmeric

Friends say Jade Erick was a “free spirit” who was as beautiful on the inside as she was outside. She was also interested in holistic health, but that interest may have contributed to her death at the age of 30.

Erick died after a bad reaction to turmeric, a spice used in Indian food and in dietary supplements, that was dripped directly into her veins through an I-V.

[burn_this_city]

Murderous charlatans

[ernie]

There is at least evidence that curcumin (which is in turmeric) does have some promise as a treatment. It shows some efficacy for a variety of diseases but hasn't been thoroughly studies from what I can see. But curcumin is different than an IV of turmeric. Turmeric is 98% other stuff and 2% of the POTENTIAL good stuff. And of course no idea how the material in the IV was prepared but likely not in a FDA (or like) regulated facility ensuring purity of active ingredient and harmless impurities and other additives.

People are idiots. All these morons running around pretending to be doctors doing experiments on people while having no understanding of actual molecular level physiology, the scientific method or how to interpret data. Annoys the hell out of me (as a scientist).

[FlamesAddiction]

Tumeric??? Why would anyone do that when all you need to do is shoot reiki bio-photon lasers out your ears? I guess some people will fall for anything.

[CaptainCrunch]

“There are some doctors who use Turmeric extract in IV form to try and heighten the physiological effects, so the anti-inflammatory effects of the turmeric,” Stengler explained. “It hasn’t been well studied. It’s more theoretical, so it’s more investigational.”

Wow. Basically anyone can become a crap. Stuff like this should be murder one.

Not to godwin this thread but alot of these people that following this crap are just nazi like in their beliefs and they're never going to change their mind because they've indoctrinated themselves on the whole Big Pharma conspiracy theories.

I would never trust my kid or any relatives to this stuff.

Especially for serious diseases.

[CaptainCrunch]

geez, I wonder if they do an IV of essence of KFC's 11 herb's and spices will cure such things as paranoid schizophrenia, rickets and hunger.

Side effects may include smelling like a big old greasy drumstick.

[Burninator]

"What's the harm?"