New poll: Harper - Conservatives headed for third place next election?

[killer_carlson]

I hope it's a function of Ontario voters getting some cold feet on Trudeau's substantive positions (or lack thereof)

[Senator Clay Davis]

Snap election coming? You know the CPC would love to get it in now before the Senate scandal fun comes back next year.

[killer_carlson]

I would very much like to have the federal election before the provincial election.

I think the biggest issue provincially would be what Prentice's plan would be to deal with an anti-alberta oilsand prime minister.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I would very much like to have the federal election before the provincial election.

I think the biggest issue provincially would be what Prentice's plan would be to deal with an anti-alberta oilsand prime minister.

You really think Mulcair will win? I don't think he has a chance actually. I don't even think that the polls show him anywhere near what he needs to maintain his current number of seats, never mind becoming PM.

[Resolute 14]

Mulcair won't win, but the truth is, neither Trudeau nor his party can be taken at their word. The Liberals have run with anti-Alberta platforms multiple times and it is one would have to be delusional to think that the leopard has changed its spots without any hard evidence to prove it.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Mulcair won't win, but the truth is, neither Trudeau nor his party can be taken at their word. The Liberals have run with anti-Alberta platforms multiple times and it is one would have to be delusional to think that the leopard has changed its spots without any hard evidence to prove it.

Good because with that logic we know that Harper has terrible judgement and is a horrific fiscal manager. He has consistently appointed terrible choices for both the Senate and his own staff. He hasn't managed to balance the budget yet and before the books are even balanced he already has plans to fritter it away with foolish tax credits. But since a leopard can't change their spots I suppose we are all voting for the marijuana's and the greens this time around.

[Resolute 14]

If your guy wants my vote, he has to earn it. So far, all I see is a pretty boy who mostly says what his handlers tell him to, likely because he rarely comes off sounding good when he tries to speak for himself. The Liberals may or may not be an anti-Alberta party today, but like it or not, their history does not not earn them the benefit of the doubt. Particularly since we don't actually know who really pulls Trudeau's strings.

But feel free to continue getting defensive because I don't see your guy as the saint you evidently do.

[Flash Walken]

Resolute, what do you see when you see Stephen Harper?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Resolute, what do you see when you see Stephen Harper?

A pragmatist. Someone who knows he won't please everyone, so doesn't even try.

As far as voting intentions goes, I believe I have already described the Conservatives as the "least repugnant" option in this thread, so don't view my criticisms of Trudeau and his puppetmasters as unqualified support of Harper.

[Resolute 14]

And, just to complete my opinions on all parties, there is a recent poll that says more Canadians view Mulcair as a better potential leader than Trudeau, but less likely to be able to knock off the Conservatives: http://globalnews.ca/news/1741554/mu...d-to-win-poll/

I'd probably give some qualified support to that. Mulcair seems to have finally stopped trying to live off Layton's legacy, and it is nice to see him finally living on his own name. Likable enough, but I'd vote separation before I voted NDP, so he's DOA as an option from the get-go.

[Flash Walken]

But do you think he's pretty?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

If your guy wants my vote, he has to earn it. So far, all I see is a pretty boy who mostly says what his handlers tell him to, likely because he rarely comes off sounding good when he tries to speak for himself. The Liberals may or may not be an anti-Alberta party today, but like it or not, their history does not not earn them the benefit of the doubt. Particularly since we don't actually know who really pulls Trudeau's strings.

But feel free to continue getting defensive because I don't see your guy as the saint you evidently do.

Hilarious. I know you have no intention of voting for anyone other than Harper, regardless of who earns your vote. I don't think that Trudeau is saintly at all. I just see the criminal (my opinion) issues with the current government and think they're through. I can't vote NDP because they're too far anti-oilsands and to far anti-capitalist for me.

A political party that goes out of its way to quash democracy and prevent voters from voting won't get my vote though. Of all things I disagree with, that is the most repugnant.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Slava

Hilarious. I know you have no intention of voting for anyone other than Harper, regardless of who earns your vote. I don't think that Trudeau is saintly at all. I just see the criminal (my opinion) issues with the current government and think they're through. I can't vote NDP because they're too far anti-oilsands and to far anti-capitalist for me.

A political party that goes out of its way to quash democracy and prevent voters from voting won't get my vote though. Of all things I disagree with, that is the most repugnant.

I can respect this position.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

If your guy wants my vote, he has to earn it. So far, all I see is a pretty boy who mostly says what his handlers tell him to, likely because he rarely comes off sounding good when he tries to speak for himself. The Liberals may or may not be an anti-Alberta party today, but like it or not, their history does not not earn them the benefit of the doubt. Particularly since we don't actually know who really pulls Trudeau's strings.

But feel free to continue getting defensive because I don't see your guy as the saint you evidently do.

Top notch fearmongering and character attacks that are worthy of Fox News.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Top notch fearmongering and character attacks that are worthy of Fox News.

Or the Liberal Party...

He'll put troops in the streets
Hidden Agenda
Etc

No matter what side, there will be the fear mongering and character attacks. It's politics. Some is true, some is not.

Truth is that it is all potential and prediction until something happens. The trick is to try and predict as best as possible, knowing that a lot will be wrong.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Or the Liberal Party...

He'll put troops in the streets
Hidden Agenda
Etc

No matter what side, there will be the fear mongering and character attacks. It's politics. Some is true, some is not.

Truth is that it is all potential and prediction until something happens. The trick is to try and predict as best as possible, knowing that a lot will be wrong.

Did you just liken Resolute_14's political analysis to outrageous attack ads?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Did you just liken Resolute_14's political analysis to outrageous attack ads?

Not just outrageous attack ads, but attack ads from a decade ago. This is a good example of why politics is so ridiculous. We have only a few parties with any hope of winning, and people won't forget things that they did or said years ago. Its like cheering for sports teams.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Slava

Not just outrageous attack ads, but attack ads from a decade ago. This is a good example of why politics is so ridiculous. We have only a few parties with any hope of winning, and people won't forget things that they did or said years ago. Its like cheering for sports teams.

Politics in general, but the whole British parliamentary system especially are a vestige of tribalism.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Did you just liken Resolute_14's political analysis to outrageous attack ads?

No, Resurrection did. Calculoso merely beat me to the punch on pointing out that liberal supporters don't occupy a moral high ground on that front.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

No, Resurrection did. Calculoso merely beat me to the punch on pointing out that liberal supporters don't occupy a moral high ground on that front.

So all liberals are now unable to say anything because of attack ads 10 years ago?

I'm talking about you specifically. Your post was ridiculous fearmongering garbage. If your best defense is "other people who think you like also acted like this before" perhaps it's time to rethink your position.