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Old 12-16-2010, 08:25 PM   #21
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Well, I did offer the excuse of whiskey drinking influencing my thought process in the immediate prior post...and no, I am in no way comparing the U.S./Canadian or U.S. Mexico border with the DMZ...sorry if it was interpreted this way.
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Wait, did you just compare the DMZ with the Canada-US border?
Okay, see my last post...no I'm not comparing the U.S./Canadian border to the DMZ. I'm hoping that I'm interpreting your post as jest though...if not, then yeah, maybe robotic machine guns would be appropriate at our border.
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:05 PM   #23
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I ask this question sincerely and not as a trick: How would you feel if the U.S. deployed this technology on the Mexican border (a very dangerous border)? How about the Canadian border? In the interests of national security of course.
Ask me that question when Canada is at war with the U.S. or the U.S. is at war with mexico.

Or if mexico instead of having poor migrant workers fleeing over the boarder was sending armed and trained special forces teams into the U.S. to murder kidnap or sow terror.

Or if Canada put tens of thousands of troops on the border who's only purpose is to invade.

Its different worlds.

I have no problem with the South Koreans using these devices to augment their defense, but they shouldn't depend on them as the first line of defense.
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:50 PM   #24
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Ask me that question when Canada is at war with the U.S. or the U.S. is at war with mexico.

Or if mexico instead of having poor migrant workers fleeing over the boarder was sending armed and trained special forces teams into the U.S. to murder kidnap or sow terror.

Or if Canada put tens of thousands of troops on the border who's only purpose is to invade.

Its different worlds.

I have no problem with the South Koreans using these devices to augment their defense, but they shouldn't depend on them as the first line of defense.

I agree to a point, it is different worlds...especially concerning the U.S./Canada border. The U.S./Mexico border on the other hand is a truly different world. 3000 murdered in Cuidad Jaurez this year...and the year isn't over yet. I don't recall the death-toll #'s for Nogales or Tiajauna or other border towns. Just yesterday, a U.S. border patrol agent was killed in an altercation on the border with Mexico. This was a rifle fight...not a misunderstanding.

This is a good example as far as the original post...how would a robotic defense system discern between innocent peasent seeking work vs. coyote preying on said innocent peasents vs. drug cartels vs. possible terrorist...should we just kill them all? And how would the world judge us...not so kindly I assume.

Once again, I don't claim to have the answer...I appreciate the conversation.
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No I get that, but the U.S. is not in a war with the state of Mexico, nor is it in a disagreement with the citizen's of Mexico.

You also have to remember that the war in Korea never ended, they are still legally in a declared state of war.

The state of North Korea likes to send special forces troops and infiltrators through the DMZ and across the border, you rarely see refugees trying to cross the border because North Korea makes that impossible, so frankly anything trying to sneak across the border is a legit target.

If the U.S. had been fighting a 50 year war with Mexico, and Mexico was continually testing the border, then you would see more then shotgun toting border guards. You'd see several divisions of U.S. troops and Armour and automated gun turrets.
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