Wisconsin: Teach sex-ed, get arrested

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Sooo what your saying is that people in the forces have decreased intelligent.

awsome

Nope. Actually I think the opposite. Considered being a Sonar Op for a while and may actually still do it.

I was implying a naieve American Gov't conspiracy but I can see how you took that the wrong way, so I apologize.

[WilsonFourTwo]

Originally Posted by peter12

Condom use doesn't have a huge impact on teen pregnancy. Liberalization of abortion does. Even with the most strenuous sex education, it's very hard to get condom usage rates above 50%.

Simply put, people don't like wrapping their genitals in pieces of plastic. It doesn't feel as good, it takes time. The abstinence people aren't so far gone as you might think when they emphasize monogamous relationships over simply not having sex. The most successful way to avoid disease and pregnancy is to delay sexual contact until you are in a stable relationship.

Designated Driving doesn't have a huge impact on alcohol related fatalities. Removal of cars on the road does. Even with the most strenuous check-stops and education, it's very hard to get sober driving rate above 50%.

Simply put, people don't like operating a one-ton bullet without being bleary eyed. It doesn't feel good, it takes skill. The ride-a-bicycle people aren't so far gone as you might think when they emphasize manpower over not burning fossil fuels. The most successful way to avoid drunk driving and fatalities is to not use a vehicle until there is nobody else around to deal with.


Why am I mocking you? It isn't that your facts are wrong per se (no sex = no diseases/pregnancy....duh), it's that you (seem to) have completely missed the point. Just because condom use doesn't stop 100% of STDs or pregnancy doesn't mean it's pointless to teach. Teens are having sex.....at least teach them how they can do it safer. Condom discussion in sex ed isn't about winning the war, it's about winning a particular battle.

[Boblobla]

That made no sense at all Wilson...

I am just curious where in peter12s post that he said teaching sex-ed is useless.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You can say the same about any country in the world.

Completely Disagree. I will admit, there are weird places here in Canada, but they don't seem to fall to the same level of weird, like this story. At least, if people believe what they believe they keep it to themselves and not try to change the system (with this extent of maliciousness anyway).

And we definitely don't have high level politicians taking on fights like this. I mean, people here are afraid of Harper being too right-wing with social issues and he's said very little to prove that and done even less.

We just don't put up with crap like that here. Yeah there are some weirdos, but as a whole we don't get these huge fights because there still seems to be a little more acceptance of everyone else. Or it could be another reason, who knows, but while yeah, I'll yield you do see some little skirmishes and groups trying to implement weird things, you don't have it nearly on this scale.

One only has to look at Gay Rights legislation being passed here and how it was done with relative ease compared to the big bruhaha done in the States to prove my point.

And that's just Canada. Heck, in many places in Western Europe people don't even care about this kind of stuff. It's not even a issue.

So no, you can't say that about every country in the world.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by peter12

Condom use doesn't have a huge impact on teen pregnancy. Liberalization of abortion does. Even with the most strenuous sex education, it's very hard to get condom usage rates above 50%.

Perhaps, but has anyone tried the "Australian driver's ed" approach?

[Thor]

I think the main point is you teach both abstinence and safe sex to your youth, otherwise you do them a disservice.

Being honest to them about the consequences of their actions, pregnancy, STD's, HIV/AIDS, etc does much more than pretending only abstinence education is going to do anything other than continue this trend of high pregnancy rates amongst teens in a very sexually charged media society.

Its just backwards to still think abstinence only education is anything other than a failure for our kids health.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Thor

I think the main point is you teach both abstinence and safe sex to your youth, otherwise you do them a disservice.

Being honest to them about the consequences of their actions, pregnancy, STD's, HIV/AIDS, etc does much more than pretending only abstinence education is going to do anything other than continue this trend of high pregnancy rates amongst teens in a very sexually charged media society.

Its just backwards to still think abstinence only education is anything other than a failure for our kids health.

I think an education system that tells kids what to do is a failure, period.

Tell kids what sex is about, the risks, the consequences, how to be safe...and leave it at that. No need to be teaching that other stuff.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Azure

I think an education system that tells kids what to do is a failure, period.

Tell kids what sex is about, the risks, the consequences, how to be safe...and leave it at that. No need to be teaching that other stuff.

I think we agree, or did I miss your point lol

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by peter12

Condom use doesn't have a huge impact on teen pregnancy. Liberalization of abortion does. Even with the most strenuous sex education, it's very hard to get condom usage rates above 50%.

Simply put, people don't like wrapping their genitals in pieces of plastic. It doesn't feel as good, it takes time. The abstinence people aren't so far gone as you might think when they emphasize monogamous relationships over simply not having sex. The most successful way to avoid disease and pregnancy is to delay sexual contact until you are in a stable relationship.

Source please?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Thor

I think we agree, or did I miss your point lol

Yeah, I think we agree.

I'm just saying that school in general should be there to teach kids about everything that is involved with a certain subject, and then let them make up their own mind as to which way they lean.

That goes for any subject that deals with opinions. Social, certain aspects of Science, religion classes and of course sex education.

Teach the kids ABOUT it. Don't try to dictate their opinions.

Abstinence should be taught at home, IMO. Or at least recommended at home.

Because whatever is happening right now isn't really working. There are numerous studies and articles showing that the generation behind me is a lot more sexually active. I'm not one to judge, but I think we can all agree that 13 year olds having sex is probably a bad idea.

[puckluck]

I am pro-sex education. My parents never allowed me to attend these classes and nothing was more emberassing than not knowing which side the condom was going on my first time.

"Umm yeah I like it when girls put it on with their mouth" (trying to sound experienced)

In my head I was like please put it on..please put it on! I had no clue how to put it on but luckily I was dealing with a experienced female.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Azure

There are numerous studies and articles showing that the generation behind me is a lot more sexually active.

Damn, that's a helluva lot of sexual activity going on in your behind.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Russic

I still remember the conversation I had with a friend that teaches in the catholic system in calgary. A student put in a question to the "question box" on the proper usage of a condom and all she was allowed to respond with was "according to the catholic church the best form of protection is abstinence". That scares the crap out of me.

I know a lot of non-Catholics (especially fathers of girls) that promote abstinence among teens. I know that if I ever have kids, I will tell them that abstinence is the best choice.

The Catholic Church is right on this one, although they should be taught about the alternatives. It's worth mentioning that I went to a Catholic school until grade 9 and although sex (even protected) was discouraged, you could still get condoms at the school health clinic.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I know a lot of non-Catholics (especially fathers of girls) that promote abstinence among teens. I know that if I ever have kids, I will tell them that abstinence is the best choice.

The Catholic Church is right on this one, although they should be taught about the alternatives. It's worth mentioning that I went to a Catholic school until grade 9 and although sex (even protected) was discouraged, you could still get condoms at the school health clinic.

Wait, did you just say the Catholic church is right on this one?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by puckluck

I am pro-sex education. My parents never allowed me to attend these classes and nothing was more emberassing than not knowing which side the condom was going on my first time.

"Umm yeah I like it when girls put it on with their mouth" (trying to sound experienced)

In my head I was like please put it on..please put it on! I had no clue how to put it on but luckily I was dealing with a experienced female.

I'm sure she would have helped you out if you tipped generously.

[HOZ]

I think a bit of After School rugby versus the teachers is in order!

[Locke]

Um, yeah, how effective is abstinence? What percentage of people do you figure dont have sex until they're married?

[MacGr3gor]

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[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You can say the same about any country in the world.

Sure you can, but as Yen Man stated, not every country is the richest, most powerful nation in the world.

You expect backwards thinking in un or underdeveloped countries, not from the "Leader of the free world".

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Locke

Um, yeah, how effective is abstinence? What percentage of people do you figure dont have sex until they're married?

Abstinence is 100% effective. If they are having sex, then they are not abstaining. I agree that it is the most difficult one though, but just because something is difficult, it doesn't mean that it isn't worth doing. Don't get me wrong, I never practiced it, but I lived a pretty risky lifestyle as well and wouldn't do it again.

It's like saying; "how effect are condoms if you stop using them?".