Hybrid Parking?! F- THAT.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I don't get your point. More demand = higher price = more drilling. Also, any drop in price makes the most expensive (and environmentally damaging) supplies unprofitable.

I like that equation.

[BlackAce]

Only in Alberta (and maybe Texas) would this be such an issue

[flamesaresmokin]

Originally Posted by dj_patm

So today I noticed that all these "Hybrid Parking" spots have popped up right beside the Handicap spots... Umm... F-U.

Hybrids should get no f'n advantages over other drivers. How 'bout diesel parking? Small displacement parking? No?

So some tool bag in a Hybrid truck that gets worse mpg then me gets to park up close cause he's got a hybrid logo on his tailgate? Or the Prius guy who feels the need show everybody the great anonymous act of earth friendliness he's doing when there are much more fuel efficient cars then his bitchmobile?

Thats ######ed and unfair. I'm actually truely angry about this which is sad but man... so stupid.

</rant>

Sign of the times. Soon anyone that drives a car more then 6 or 7 years old will be fined or taxed because its not "up to par" emissions wise. Look at what they are trying to do with winter tires (this is the first year i've used them myself and they essentially offer no improvement to my all seasons and they want to make them mandatory), its the first step in a lot of regulations to come in the next few years.

[flamesaresmokin]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

Many. It depends on how you drive it. If you drive a e92 BMW M3 and a Prius non-stop at 50MPH, the BMW will get 15+ MPG more than the Prius.

Then there is the guy at Shaganappi who wanted me to think Hybrid because he gets 100 km more in a Hybrid than he does in a normal Malibu. The Hybrid costs what, $10k more? (I'm not sure), sorry but it isn't worth it.

And for the record, in the long run a Hybrid is more wasteful to the environment than a normal car is. Where do they get the batteries for the car from?

Bingo, even disposing of those batteries is far more harmful and that goes for electric cars in general as well. Until there is a totally green energy source there is no point in having electric cars. Where do people think the energy is coming from when they plug in at night? The coal fired generator 100 miles away.

As far as the mileage thing goes as well, that should be thrown out the window. What its supposed to get is one thing but it is no where close when you actually drive the car for a while. Our 2010 matrix gets almost 10mpg less then its supposed to get according to the dealer.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Let us know what business have these because they are stupid

I just want to know the list so i can take advantage of the awesome parking space location!

[4X4]

Originally Posted by BlackAce

Only in Alberta (and maybe Texas) would this be such an issue

Uh huh. Only in Alberta or Texas.

Anyway, I was going to make a joke about how the fuel efficient cars should have to drive to the back of the lot and do all the cycling around searching for a spot, and the guzzlers should have priority parking so that their cars get turned off quicker, thus burning less fuel.

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by flamesaresmokin

Bingo, even disposing of those batteries is far more harmful and that goes for electric cars in general as well. Until there is a totally green energy source there is no point in having electric cars. Where do people think the energy is coming from when they plug in at night? The coal fired generator 100 miles away.

As far as the mileage thing goes as well, that should be thrown out the window. What its supposed to get is one thing but it is no where close when you actually drive the car for a while. Our 2010 matrix gets almost 10mpg less then its supposed to get according to the dealer.

I agree with you on the electric car standpoint. I'm struggling to understand how an electric car is greener when the majority of North America's electrical production is done via coal plants.

With your last paragraph, the mileage advertised by auto companies tends to be out of whack no matter what vehicle you by because they drive them in ideal conditions. Still though, a hybrid does show significant fuel savings over the long run which makes me think it will overshadow the battery argument.

As for the actual point of the thread, I don't think hybrids should have any priority parking over "regular" cars whatsoever; it seems pretty ridiculous.

[Clarkey]

Things like this give people a false sense of moral superiority.

Don't drive to Ikea in any vehicle (regardless of it's mpg) and buy plastic shart that was made at a smog spewing factory and shipped thousands of miles to get here, and think you are doing your part by driving a car that gets marginally lower fuel consumption.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

Things like this give people a false sense of moral superiority.

Don't drive to Ikea in any vehicle (regardless of it's mpg) and buy plastic shart that was made at a smog spewing factory and shipped thousands of miles to get here, and think you are doing your part by driving a car that gets marginally lower fuel consumption.

So you have never driven to Ikea in your entire life? hahaha.

I didn't ask Ikea to put in hybrid stalls. but i'll use them if they have them there.

[Pastiche]

Even old thermal generation stations run at net efficiencies of 25% which is much higher than internal combustion engines. The new supercritical plants of keephills will run up to 40% efficient. So yeah, even if the electricity is thermal you are still saving energy and emissions.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Pastiche

Gotta love Albertans.

Indeed. Gotta love that Albertans don't feel that something as trivial as choice of vehicle warrants preferential treatment.

Prius snobs certainly are the type that think equality is a wonderful thing so long as it applies only to other people.

Its not enforceable by the way.

So go ahead and park your jacked up F350 there.

[Pastiche]

Prius snobs certainly are the type that think equality is a wonderful thing so long as it applies only to other people.

I'm interested in more of your parables on what other people are like. Because clearly you have people who drive Prius' nailed as a social grouop.

[You Need a Thneed]

Yup, even with the majority of power supplied here in Alberta created by coal plants, it still are less emmissions from using an electric car. Why? Economies of scale means that it's pretty easy to clean up a large plant than every small car.

In response to another question, many diesel cars would do better on fuel than a Prius - for sure if you do mostly highway driving. In fact, lots of cars coming out now can do very well on the highway, something that the Prius is decent at, but certianly isn't the highway fuel mileage king. Driving around the city, though, most cars don't come close to the Prius.

[You Need a Thneed]

What's next, a rant against special parking for parents with small children or expectant mothers?

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

What's next, a rant against special parking for parents with small children or expectant mothers?

Great point! Parents should bond with their kids by taking a nice long walk outside.

Also i heard it's better for expectant mothers to exercise more. Helps with labor.

[Pastiche]

Hybrid battery recovery technology is also advancing rapidly. Toyato recycles the majority of each battery for future use. The claim that the batteries are more environmentally destructive than the reduced emissions is just false.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I don't get your point. More demand = higher price = more drilling. Also, any drop in price makes the most expensive (and environmentally damaging) supplies unprofitable.

Like it or not, we'll be forced to squeeze out every last drop of oil out of Earth. Sure it will be technologically challenging to do so, but our civilization is so dependent on crude oil as a resource (not just for fuel) that it pretty much guarantees it will happen.

Driving hybrids is going to spread the demand for oil over time (as opposed to using it all up today in gas guzzling SUVs) at best, but it's not going to lower total demand for oil till it "runs out."

PS Pastiche, like a give two fcks what you think. You've proven over and over that your opinion is pretty much worthless (hockey AND OT related).

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Pastiche

Hybrid battery recovery technology is also advancing rapidly. Toyato recycles the majority of each battery for future use. The claim that the batteries are more environmentally destructive than the reduced emissions is just false.

And not just that, but comparing a regular gasoline powered car, to the electric cars coming out, the gas powered car will have gone through how many oil changes over the lifetime of a electric car battery? Plus most regular cars still have lead acid batteries themselves.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by simmer2

I'm struggling to understand how an electric car is greener when the majority of North America's electrical production is done via coal plants.

I don't know why I have to post this in every thread about this. But this same foolish argument keeps getting thrown around. Given the emission standards on even the dirtiest of coal power generation plants - the cleaners and scrubbers and filters - there is less pollutants that come per KW from a coal factory than from an internal combustion engine. In fact, according to the World Resources Institute, EVEN IF OUR POWER SOURCE WAS 100% FROM COAL, USING THAT POWER IN AN ELECTIC VEHICLE WOULD CUT C02 EMISSIONS BY 25%!!! And we know that coal is only half our energy and is becoming less and less and less.

Now I have posted this here before, nobody has challenged the figures from the WRI or challenged the concept, yet the same argument gets trotted out in every discussion.