Becoming Barack Obama

[Thor]

I'm ready to criticize anyone and anything, I'm more of a person who is happy to debate an idea, not the talking point from either side.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Thor

I'm ready to criticize anyone and anything, I'm more of a person who is happy to debate an idea, not the talking point from either side.

Actually Thor. You are one of the few that I believe when they say that.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

So you're trying to lay Afghanistan on Obama's shoulders? Bush should have taken care of it years ago and now it's become a festering pool just like the American economy that Bush also screwed up by his inattention.

It is Obama's job to make progress in Afghanistan, regardless of "who started it." No president starts his term in vacuum, he has to play hand he was dealt. Ultimately, he will be judged on how well he cleaned up the mess he didn't cause.

As for screwing the economy, you cannot lay the blame squarely on Bush either. Clinton, Fed, political decision and subsequent push to increase the number of minority (low income) home owners, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac ring a bell?

Originally Posted by Vulcan

At least Obama has his priorities straight and a brain on his shoulders to tackle the problems. Bush just ignored them while going for the grandiose plan to feather his buddies pockets. Some of you are like kids sitting in the back seat whining 'are we there yet'?

Disagree. What problems did Obama tackle, or at least tried to? He pushed some of his ideological agenda (such as free health care for all) but I don't see him tacking real issues (granted, I focus on economy/foreign policy so I may have missed an issue here and there).

He is over 7 months into his 48 month term, the honey moon should be over by now. People are right to start asking questions.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Azure

He's a Democrat too.

Just as some people refused to admit that Bush made some pretty big mistakes, some people can't admit that Obama has done nothing but say big words since Jan.

And in another thread you're siding with the blue dog Democrats for Obama to slow the hell down with his health care plan.

Originally Posted by Azure
Frequent meetings mean nothing.

The blue-dog Democrats are the ones telling Obama to slow the hell down with his health care plan. They're all the ones Reid, Pelosi and Boxer are trying to marginalize and ignore with the whole health care issue.

You can't have it both ways unless you're a right wing nut just looking to complain.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

Speaking of Obama's deception, have many of you folks seen The Obama Deception??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQN...e=channel_page

I haven't seen anybody mention it since I have become a member here, but it might be an interesting couple hours for some...

Yeah, The New World Order is kind of scary and as a conspiracy theory, it has some legs but hopefully Obama isn't a complete sell out and manages to do some good within the confines he has. In the late 60s and early 70s, some of those in the counter culture who hadn't burned their bridges, elected to join the system in order to bring about change from inside, as protests and violent groups such as the Weathermen were becoming a dead end.

The problem with this idealistic idea was that over time the person could get co-opted by the system and become part of the problem. Is this Obama's fate or will he keep some of his ideals and bring about some good changes that help the ordinary tax payer.


I'd say it's even worse in Canada and our government has very little power since NAFTA.

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

Speaking of Obama's deception, have many of you folks seen The Obama Deception??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQN...e=channel_page

I haven't seen anybody mention it since I have become a member here, but it might be an interesting couple hours for some...

Judging by Reslien's post above, he was all over that movie.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

It is Obama's job to make progress in Afghanistan, regardless of "who started it." No president starts his term in vacuum, he has to play hand he was dealt. Ultimately, he will be judged on how well he cleaned up the mess he didn't cause.

Yeah, I agree but it's been going overboard, as if Afghanistan is Obama's fault. It will take some time.

As for screwing the economy, you cannot lay the blame squarely on Bush either. Clinton, Fed, political decision and subsequent push to increase the number of minority (low income) home owners, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac ring a bell?

Yeah, I agree here too but Bush was on patrol when the crap hit the fan and he was in position to see it coming. I mean even I saw a problem with their tax breaks for mortgages and I don't follow the economy much.



Disagree. What problems did Obama tackle, or at least tried to? He pushed some of his ideological agenda (such as free health care for all) but I don't see him tacking real issues (granted, I focus on economy/foreign policy so I may have missed an issue here and there).

He is over 7 months into his 48 month term, the honey moon should be over by now. People are right to start asking questions.

I think he's only been in power about 5 months but anyways he's been facing one crises after another, not of his own making and he still has time and drive to push through health care. If he does this one thing he'll have accomplished more than Bush did in 8 years.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Judging by Reslien's post above, he was all over that movie.

Just a guess, but on that post I'd say ResAlien had his tongue firmly implanted in his cheek.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

Speaking of Obama's deception, have many of you folks seen The Obama Deception??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQN...e=channel_page

I haven't seen anybody mention it since I have become a member here, but it might be an interesting couple hours for some...

More Alex Jones stuff? Seriously?

Man, this is getting old. Agree or disagree with the man's actions. Don't buy in to dumb conspiracy theories.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Hell yeah, it's the Rothchilds and the lizardmen that control everything. Stupid presidents don't know squat. We need more people to become aware of Common Law and learn to think for themselves. Free your mind.

Beefs from other threads that keep getting brought up reduce the quality of the board.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

So you're trying to lay Afghanistan on Obama's shoulders? Bush should have taken care of it years ago and now it's become a festering pool just like the American economy that Bush also screwed up by his inattention. At least Obama has his priorities straight and a brain on his shoulders to tackle the problems. Bush just ignored them while going for the grandiose plan to feather his buddies pockets. Some of you are like kids sitting in the back seat whining 'are we there yet'?

Sounds a lot like what most of the Obama supporters have been doing with Iraq the past few years.

Obama is President.....and its his responsibility now. It doesn't matter if Bush ignored the place, he's not in the position to fix it anymore. Obama is.

You can grip all you want about how Bush screwed everything up....the economy, Iraq, Afghanistan, but it doesn't help any. Obama was elected because he promised the people 'hope and change'...and either he delivers, or he'll be gone in 4 years. Or even better, he'll have to deal with a Republican Congress in a year and a half.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Bagor

If by progress you mean military I disagree. No disrespect to anyone over there but that is a war that will not be won ..... never. Bin Laden should've been dead instead of some mythical folklore years ago.

And I'm not dismissing the efforts of those that are fighting it, just calling it as I see it.

Maybe, maybe not.

I don't want to agree with you, but as of right now, you most certainly are right.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

And in another thread you're siding with the blue dog Democrats for Obama to slow the hell down with his health care plan.

Because the blue-dog Democrats are the only responsible people left on Capital Hill.

The Republicans had 8 years to do something, and they were more than happy enough to just keep screwing the system over year after year after year. Now, suddenly when the Democrats are in that position, the Republicans want to disagree? Yeah, right.

You can't have it both ways unless you're a right wing nut just looking to complain.

I don't think I'm the one looking like a nut here. You might want to take off the rose-colored glasses and admit that Obama has done nothing but talk. Talk, talk, talk. Big speeches, lots of TV time, big words, lots of media attention, and lots of arrogance to go around.

That is exactly why his approval rating is FALLING.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Azure

Sounds a lot like what most of the Obama supporters have been doing with Iraq the past few years.

Obama is President.....and its his responsibility now. It doesn't matter if Bush ignored the place, he's not in the position to fix it anymore. Obama is.

You can grip all you want about how Bush screwed everything up....the economy, Iraq, Afghanistan, but it doesn't help any. Obama was elected because he promised the people 'hope and change'...and either he delivers, or he'll be gone in 4 years. Or even better, he'll have to deal with a Republican Congress in a year and a half.

Can you direct me to the magical store in which overnight solutions are sold? I'd love one of those for some of my problems too.

Typical BS from people who stray to the extremes on either side, avoid reality and jump on any possible issue as if it's the whole story.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Beefs from other threads that keep getting brought up reduce the quality of the board.

If they leave their ignorant and blind ideas in other threads, we'll leave our beef.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by valo403

Can you direct me to the magical store in which overnight solutions are sold? I'd love one of those for some of my problems too.

Typical BS from people who stray to the extremes on either side, avoid reality and jump on any possible issue as if it's the whole story.

I think what happens is he doesn't solve any major issue (if economy improves, it will be in spite of what his administration does) and he'll get re-elected due to a combination of two things:

1. he 's a nice guy
2. GOP will have no one to match that

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

I think what happens is he doesn't solve any major issue (if economy improves, it will be in spite of what his administration does) and he'll get re-elected due to a combination of two things:

1. he 's a nice guy
2. GOP will have no one to match that

I agree, I don't see who the GOP is going to trot out that is going to bring in the votes. Of course there's a few years for that to change, but at the moment the great hope is who? Palin? The 'I quit' strategy alone will be tough for her to overcome. Outside of that who's really pushing for that spot? I haven't paid much attention to that scene lately, but I can't think of anyone who seems to be a real threat to shift the middle.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

I think what happens is he doesn't solve any major issue (if economy improves, it will be in spite of what his administration does) and he'll get re-elected due to a combination of two things:

1. he 's a nice guy
2. GOP will have no one to match that

Hilarious... So he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't...

[starseed]

I think Mitt Romney would be a formidable opponent to Obama. I think its pretty certain that he will win the primaries in 2012.

By then, the economy will be getting back on its feet, and some sort of healthcare reform will be passed. I think Obama is going to be positioned very well come election time.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by starseed

I think Mitt Romney would be a formidable opponent to Obama. I think its pretty certain that he will win the primaries in 2012.

By then, the economy will be getting back on its feet, and some sort of healthcare reform will be passed. I think Obama is going to be positioned very well come election time.

You think the religious right is checking a box that they will see as marked Mormon?