There is a way to sync files from iTunes to the Palm Pre without using iTunes, and the program was popular even before this inevitable update.
The Palm Pre still has more advantages than the iPhone 3G, it is faster, you can multi-task, the design is better, it has a physical keyboard (big thing for me), and it is palm... so better calendar, contact keeping etc. The 3Gs is now faster than the Pre, and can now take videos... but that is not enough to convince me to get the 3Gs, I will wait until Bell releases the Pre. (which is hopefully within a few weeks)
iTunes currently has 82% of the worldwide online music sales. A virtual stranglehold on marketshare. Apple is now faced with the same dilemna as MS - too much success, and the suffocation of competition. Can't see how this leads to an antitrust lawsuit in the future?
Competing music players can't access the undisputed #1 source of media on the Internet without jumping through hoops the average person couldn't be bothered to do.
Competing online music stores face having the undisputed #1 music player being bundled with iTunes software directing new owners straight to iTunes.
While not the same, there are some strange undertones to the Windows / IE issues. The iTunes marketshare of 82% is far more than the 65% marketshare of IE that has the EU banning IE from being shipped with W7.
Apple fanatics expecting their company to be some enlightened benevolent corporate citizen more righteous than Microsoft should bitchslap themselves in the face. They're in the business of making as much money off of you as much as possible and everyone else, and crushing the competition like the Wehrmacht with no mercy.
Good, because I own share in them.
As someone said, if the tables were turned and it was M$ cutting off competitior support, there'd be holy hell to pay.
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I totally agree. Those people are also the same ones who pollute every PC or Microsoft conversation with uncalled for pro-apple sales pitches. Suggesting that someone buy a Mac because they need help with a minor PC problem is the equivalent of telling someone to buy a new car because theres is dirty.
Where does this come from? The only time I bring up Apple in PC threads is when someone else suggests an Apple product and another guy craps all over that suggestion with stupid BS that stopped being true ten years ago.
The only times I've ever suggested an Apple product in a thread are when the thread-starter is asking for ideas for a new laptop or phone.
I have no clue wtf this "minor PC problem" stuff you're talking about is.
What has this move done to improve Apple's iTune's software or iPod/iPhone hardware support? Nothing. All it does it break a feature of a competitor's product. That's not being innovative, it's being anti-competitive.
Apple fanboys have blasted Microsoft in the past because they used their market dominance in one area (operating systems) to cripple their competitors in other areas (web browsers, Java virtual machines, etc.). What Apple has done here with iTunes is really no different. They're using their dominance in the digital music field to damage their competitors in the smart phone/portable media player field.
I wasn't aware the beef was between Apple and MS. I could have sworn that stuff was all between Sun vs MS and Mozilla vs MS.
Regardless, I wasn't even a Mac user back then anyway. I only made the switch to Macs just under a year ago. Also, anyone who knows me knows that I was on MS's side with the whole ant-trust thing. I hated (and still do) Sun's implementation of thier JRE. I mush prefered having the MS Virtual Machine built into the OS. As for the browser issue... I have never once not been able to install a 3rd party web browser on a Windows machine, so I never really cared about Mozilla's beef.
Anyway, if people want to have a discussion with me, then have a discussion with me... not at me, on behalf of some previous experience with a bunch of other people who acted a certain way.
Because I'm so new to the Mac culture, and I was a Mac hater for so long, I do have the ability to discuss things with an open mind. I'm starting to think (based on all these jaded comments) that I'm one ofthe few who can still make that claim. I haven't been exposed to years of so-called "fanboyism" to the point where anyone who backs an Apple product is just a fanboy.
As for the actual topic, I still have yet to hear a valid reason why Palm should be entitled to use iTunes as its sync software, when everyone else out there makes their own. As for people using iTunes to buy thier music, there is nothing in the EULA that grants you the right to use iTunes to sync with third-party devices.
Lastly, what's wrong with using WinAmp to sync your DRM-free songs? It syncs quite fine, and is a much much much better media player than iTunes is.
It's not about the music management. It's about the music store. If I'm buying music, I should be able to reasonably get it on to any device I have, not just an iPod. The problem is the best music store out there is completely tied to a closed system, thus screwing the non-iPod owning customer or anyone with a need that can't be fufilled by their iPod.
I already have an iPod touch and a MacBook pro. They've already won. Now can I please just listen to my music in my car?
While I can definitely see your point if you're trying to convert your entire library from m4a to mp3, but that's a fairly unique situation. If we're just talking about buying an album and getting it onto a different device, then personally I don't think it's terribly hard to do. My coworker brought some god forsaken mp3 player to me on Thursday to put an album on it and it wasn't much of a process.
He asked a question, I gave him a stupid answer if the form of a image. I'm sorry if my eye roll like moment induced vomiting. But to be fair, the way PC fanboys so violently attack Mac users who really aren't being that cult like makes me vomit.
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^I'm posting this on a Mac right now... not a PC fanboy. Just disappointing with the direction iTunes is going. I was very excited when they introduced iTunes Plus because I thought they were opening up to other devices. But as long as I don't upgrade, I've got a great solution for now (iTuneMyWalkman).
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I totally agree. Those people are also the same ones who pollute every PC or Microsoft conversation with uncalled for pro-apple sales pitches. Suggesting that someone buy a Mac because they need help with a minor PC problem is the equivalent of telling someone to buy a new car because theres is dirty.
Actually, most Mac users keep their cars pretty clean.
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Can it read m4a files and convert them to formats that can be used by non-Apple devices? If not, pretty useless for what we are discussing.
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Yes it can. I'll post the plugin later.
Sorry for the delay, I wanted to get some yardwork done.
Anyway, here it is. It's called Winamp Essentials. It's a pack of plugins, and I've been using them for years. When I was a PC user, I'd rip all my CDs using iTunes into the (proprietary) Apple Lossless format, and then manage/play/burn/convert/etc all the songs with WinAmp. It will play any iTunes Plus audio file, whether it's an AAC (m4a) or an MP3.
What is stopping some other developer such as Palm to release their own software? A hundred years ago I had a Sony MP3 player and they had their own program to manage music.
ha ha, sonic stage I believe, what a horrible program. i had so many problems trying to update music, always looking for updates and new drivers to get it to work...
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Apple "bundles" just as much as Microsoft, but with respect to computers it wasn't an anti-trust issue because of market share. Now that they're dominating some markets, they can no longer do that.
I don't think it has anything to do with market share, I think the major difference is Apple bundles on their own computers and are the sole manufactures of anything with the mac os. Microsoft sells their os to multiple pc makers and was adding ie into the every pc sold, using the microsoft os, giving them a distinct advantage over other browser software.
I still disagree with the whole thing, as i think other options were still available and weren't being prohibited from being loaded onto any pc.
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While the Palm Pre running webOS was initially able to sync directly with iTunes by presenting itself as an iPod, Apple disabled the functionality just last week with the release of iTunes 8.2.1. The iTunes syncing spat is the latest in a series of incidents between the two competitors, as Palm has hired several former Apple executives and engineers to lead the company's turnaround and Apple has issued veiled threats against Palm regarding intellectual property contained in iPhone that has appeared in similar forms in the Palm Pre.
Edit: Yes, yes. I saw Pirates of Silicon Valley just like everyone else did. I know how Apple talked Xerox into giving them the mouse.
^ Wow! Never heard of that. Link? I couldn't find anything googling it.
Which, the mouse thing? I don't know why I keep saying HP, but it was Xerox. Sorry for the confusion.
Anyway, the story is that Steve Jobs traded some Apple stock options to Xerox in exchange for him and his team gaining access to the Xerox facilities for 3 days. He discovered the Xerox execs didn't care too much about this nerdy, GUI'd OS that the research division in Palo Alto had invented, so he talked them into letting his men have access to the labs and the people who invented it. I'm not sure if the PARC guys actually invented the mouse, but that was the first time Apple had seen it.
Anyway, that's how Apple got the idea for a GUI OS with a mouse. They set to work on the new prototype, building everything from scratch according to their own ideas and designs... and then contracted Microsoft to help build some of the software for it.
Microsoft, of course, had no intention of helping to build anything. They had heard that Apple was building this new OS and they just wanted to get their hands on it. So, they did, and the next thing everyone knows, "Windows" is shipping on PCs manufactured out of Japan.
So, in short...
- Xerox invented the GUI'd OS which utilized a mouse and curser.
- Apple stole their idea, but created their own OS and also created their own version of the mouse.
- Microsoft stole Apple's OS and rebranded it as Windows, and sold it to NEC for their computers, which included Apple's mouse design.
You should really find a copy of the movie. I'm not sure if it's 100% accurate, but I'd bet is pretty close. It's pretty good though.
Here's a clip of the best (and worst) part:
Steve Jobs: "We're better than you are... we have better stuff."
Bill Gates: "You don't get it, Steve... that doesn't matter!"
