The IAAF Thread

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Originally posted by Sundeep Malhi@Feb 1 2005, 06:34 PM

Perhaps because the World's established in 1997?

Your experience does not speak for the whole world.

Yeah...you should really do more research before you speak. The very first World event was in 1983 in Helsinki. I learned that from my track and field days.

And my experiences do speak for the entire world...didn't you know that by now?

Edit: I was thinking why you would comment on that particular year, then it dawned on me. 1997 in athens was the introduction of a huge payout to winners of certain events. Maybe that's what you're thinking of?

[V]

Originally posted by Sundeep Malhi+Feb 1 2005, 11:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sundeep Malhi @ Feb 1 2005, 11:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RougeUnderoos@Feb 1 2005, 10:38 AM
There were 22 thousand empty seats at that track meet every day. If it was such a big deal, why didn't more people show up?

...because Track is not very popular in Canada.

41K average attendance for 10 days is alot...in Canada.

Internationally, Track gets sold out.... [/b][/quote]
I remember when Edmonton got the IAAF World's, and the reporters were looking at Spain to see how much attendance they got at the actual events. Apparently it was such a p*ss poor showing that the reporters in Edmonton were sure that we could triple their attendance records. Perhaps the World's isn't all that big in Europe?

Of course, I have as much proof of this as Sundeep has of anything he's said on here. None.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally posted by Sundeep Malhi@Feb 1 2005, 12:28 PM
Way to dig out my personal information and share it with the rest.

What a loser

For the record, there are plenty of accounting jobs in Edmonton.

I wouldn't consider Google a CSI investigation...

Firms at the Big 4 typically hire 5 new grads each in Edmonton. This year in Calgary it was 22 new grads hired at the smallest of the Big 4. Topped out at about 40 at the largest firms.

You do the math.

You're a year or so from summer student or co-op terms but perhaps once you get there you'll see why so many from Edmonton move to Calgary. You should also know that many people at the firms read this forum, and your probably not making a great first impression.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally posted by Sundeep Malhi+Feb 1 2005, 06:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sundeep Malhi @ Feb 1 2005, 06:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tron_fdc@Feb 1 2005, 10:49 AM
TV Ratings for the IAAF events are
here which covered 179 countries, and the ratings for the last Winter olympics are HERE which was broadcast in 160 countries.


Discuss!

The Winter Olympics had 2.1 billion viewers.

In the 1999 World's, there, were 4 billion viewers.

I read it with my own eyes..... [/b][/quote]
Where are you getting 4 billion from? My links are using the most recent events, not a sample from 1999.

In all reality, you're probably right. This track meet probably draws more viewers internationally than the winter olympics. I still have to ask though...what would you rather have? The winter olympics or another IAAF event?

What would the people of Edmonton want?

[GreaseIsTheWord]

Originally posted by Deelow@Feb 1 2005, 12:39 PM
did anyone buy tickets for that? Didn't they have to give away thousaands?

No - at the time I remember reading that they refused to do that like they did in Seville, Spain.

And come on, I'd kill for the Winter Olympics. It's a huge deal.

Who cares anyway? Its not like Edmonton has anything to be ashamed of (far from it) when we host big events.

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Originally posted by Moderator@Feb 1 2005, 06:49 PM
I appreciate that the discussion has been relatively more civil today but this is not the thread or the place to be discussing this. If you all want to discuss (without causing a flame war) how the world population views the IAAF take it to the Sports Forum. Keep the threads here about hockey or they will be moved or posts will be deleted.

Thanks.

Not questioning anything...just a suggestion...

Maybe this thread can be moved to off topic?

It's just a suggestion, please don't ban my ass

[An Old Edmonton Poster]

Originally posted by I-Hate-Hulse+Feb 1 2005, 11:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (I-Hate-Hulse @ Feb 1 2005, 11:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Sundeep Malhi@Feb 1 2005, 12:28 PM
Way to dig out my personal information and share it with the rest.

What a loser

For the record, there are plenty of accounting jobs in Edmonton.

I wouldn't consider Google a CSI investigation...

Firms at the Big 4 typically hire 5 new grads each in Edmonton. This year in Calgary it was 22 new grads hired at the smallest of the Big 4. Topped out at about 40 at the largest firms.

You do the math.

You're a year or so from summer student or co-op terms but perhaps once you get there you'll see why so many from Edmonton move to Calgary. You should also know that many people at the firms read this forum, and your probably not making a great first impression. [/b][/quote]
Link? Source?

Thought so.

Even if your ''numbers'' are true, I know I have the capabilities to be one the new grads hired....

I'd rather move to Vancouver than Calgary anyday...

[An Old Edmonton Poster]

Originally posted by Tron_fdc+Feb 1 2005, 11:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tron_fdc @ Feb 1 2005, 11:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

The Winter Olympics had 2.1 billion viewers.

In the 1999 World's, there, were 4 billion viewers.

I read it with my own eyes.....

Where are you getting 4 billion from? My links are using the most recent events, not a sample from 1999.

In all reality, you're probably right. This track meet probably draws more viewers internationally than the winter olympics. I still have to ask though...what would you rather have? The winter olympics or another IAAF event?

What would the people of Edmonton want? [/b][/quote]
Where am I getting the 4 billion from?

http://www.education.gov.ab.ca/news/...diarelease.asp

Tickets for The World’s™ are available via the web at www.2001.edmonton.com, through Ticketmaster at (780) 451-8000 and toll free 1-877-240-2001. The 8th IAAF World Championships in Athletics is expected to bring more than 3,000 athletes, coaches and officials from more than 200 countries, to Edmonton, Alberta, Canada August 3rd through 12th, 2001, to compete in 24 men’s and 22 women’s athletic events. More than 2,500 media are expected to attend and provide coverage around the world.



The IAAF World Championships in Athletics is the third-largest sporting event in the world, based on a world-wide television audience of four billion viewers expected to tune in during the ten days of competition. The IAAF World Championships in Athletics is third in scope only to the Summer Olympics and World Cup Soccer.

Edmonton 2001 World Championships in Athletics is pleased to acknowledge the following partners: IAAF partners: TDK, Adidas, Coca-Cola, EPSON, SEIKO, Eurovision and TBS; Government Partners: Canadian Heritage, Government of Alberta and the City of Edmonton; National Partners: Labatt, TELUS and Royal Bank Financial Group. For more information, visit the Edmonton 2001 Web site at www.2001.edmonton.com.


To answer your other question, I would take an event that is 13 years MORE RECENT, and drew way more support internationally.

Funny, Flames fans always try to discount the Oilers dynasty years, yet bring up the 88 Olympics over and over again.

[Tron_fdc]

Okay, this topic needs to be moved.

The IAAF World Championships in Athletics is the third-largest sporting event in the world, based on a world-wide television audience of four billion viewers expected to tune in during the ten days of competition. The IAAF World Championships in Athletics is third in scope only to the Summer Olympics and World Cup Soccer.

I gave you actual figures, you gave me expected. There is a difference. Besides which, I'm not arguing which has higher ratings. I clearly admitted the IAAF probably draws more than the Winter Olympics, I'm questioning the importance to the regional populations.

To answer your other question, I would take an event that is 13 years MORE RECENT, and drew way more support internationally.

You're nuts, and I think I can safely go out on a limb and say the City of Edmonton would disagree with you. Would people in the 'chuck watch sporting events identified with our nationality, or a bunch of sprinters and hurdlers?

Funny, Flames fans always try to discount the Oilers dynasty years, yet bring up the 88 Olympics over and over again.

Huh?

You're trying to compare the Olympics to a Track meet....when did I try and discount what the Oilers did in the 80's?

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Link? Source?

Thought so.

Even if your ''numbers'' are true, I know I have the capabilities to be one the new grads hired....

I'd rather move to Vancouver than Calgary anyday...

Recruiting season is in October so the job postings are down right now but feel free to stop by the Career center at the UofA to validate these numbers. Better yet, ask any 4th year student nearby who's gone through the recruiting process. 3rd party confirmation is always best you know....

You'll also be surprised to know that the CA firms are larger in Calgary vs Vancouver. The greater number of corporate head offices plus the higher complexity of the clients here demand it. Didn't Shaw move from Edmonton to Calgary to be closer to the action?

So at the end of the day, welcome to Calgary! :tup:

[An Old Edmonton Poster]

Originally posted by Tron_fdc@Feb 1 2005, 12:11 PM

1)
The actual figures are supposed to be relatively close the expected audience. The World's have grown since 2001, so it's okay to assume the World's draw over 4 billion, while the latest Olympics drew 2 billion.

4 billion - 2 billion = 2 billion.

That's a HUGE difference in TV ratings.

People wanted links and proof about the World's TV ratings being much higher than the Winter Olympics...and I gave it. Don't see them talking much now...

2)
No I'm not nuts. I would take an event that has DOUBLE the popularity. Even a large population of Calgarians made the trip to Edmonton to watch the World's 3rd largest event.

Sure, Canadians, and Edmontonians would prefer hockey, and other winter sports, but the games were a success, had a major international feel to them, etc.

I would prefer WATCHING the Grey Cup to the Superbowl by a large margin, but I would much rather have the Superbowl hosted in Edmonton, because it's a much bigger event.

Same story here.

3) I wasn't directing my post to you. There are alot of Calgarians who discount the Oilers success in the 80's and at the same time, reflect back on the 1988 WINTER olympics

[An Old Edmonton Poster]

Originally posted by I-Hate-Hulse@Feb 1 2005, 01:40 PM

Recruiting season is in October so the job postings are down right now but feel free to stop by the Career center at the UofA to validate these numbers. Better yet, ask any 4th year student nearby who's gone through the recruiting process. 3rd party confirmation is always best you know....

You'll also be surprised to know that the CA firms are larger in Calgary vs Vancouver. The greater number of corporate head offices plus the higher complexity of the clients here demand it. Didn't Shaw move from Edmonton to Calgary to be closer to the action?

So at the end of the day, welcome to Calgary! :tup:

In these days, any information is available on the internet.

I'm not going to go out of my way to help prove your argument. If your claims are as true as you make them seem, find some proof.

[Rejean31]

Originally posted by Sundeep Malhi@Feb 1 2005, 01:01 PM

Where am I getting the 4 billion from?



The IAAF World Championships in Athletics is the third-largest sporting event in the world, based on a world-wide television audience of four billion viewers expected to tune in during the ten days of competition. The IAAF World Championships in Athletics is third in scope only to the Summer Olympics and World Cup Soccer.

Sundeep, if you are going to university surely you know what a dictionary is, don't you. Do us all a favor and look up what the word expected means.

[An Old Edmonton Poster]

Originally posted by Rejean31+Feb 1 2005, 06:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rejean31 @ Feb 1 2005, 06:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Sundeep Malhi@Feb 1 2005, 01:01 PM

Where am I getting the 4 billion from?



The IAAF World Championships in Athletics is the third-largest sporting event in the world, based on a world-wide television audience of four billion viewers expected to tune in during the ten days of competition. The IAAF World Championships in Athletics is third in scope only to the Summer Olympics and World Cup Soccer.

Sundeep, if you are going to university surely you know what a dictionary is, don't you. Do us all a favor and look up what the word expected means. [/b][/quote]
I'm well aware of what expected means.

The fact is, the actual figures are supposed to be relatively close the expected audience. Could be a little less, could be a little more. The World's have grown since 2001, so it's okay to assume the World's draw over 4 billion, while the latest Winter Olympics drew 2 billion.

I haven't seen anyone who lives in so much denial, like you Rejean.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Tron_fdc@Feb 1 2005, 05:12 PM
What do you think the City of Edmonton would go after if they had the choice....?

Bingo.

[The Familia]

So sundeep, your saying you would like to host an event that's big internationally or overall on a grand scale, then have a smaller event, more important to ones own social fabric. Let's take a look at Montreal. They hosted the SUMMER olympics (2nd biggest event in the world) and what did that do for them? Oh yes that's right, put them in billions of dollars in debt. Calgary was perhaps the first olympics ever to break even and even post a profit.

There is no denial that the Winter olympics helped raise Calgary much more than the IAAF did for Edmonton. The olympics have a lasting legacy here in Calgary. Many world class facilites were built, and many people from across the world come to train here. We have the ski jump towers, bob sled, COP, Olympic oval etc... did Edmonton even build a shack for the IAAF? I may be wrong but I do not recall any facilities being built for that event. Sure Edmonton got a huge popularity boost for the 10 days with international exposure, but Calgary is still being talked about. 15 years later. Perhaps one of the most successful, fun, profitable, enjoyable events EVER! Very few Olympics summer or winter had the magic Calgary did. That can never be mistaken. The magic still lives on, while your 10 day extravaganza has been lost in the archives of time. I'm willing to bet more Edmontonians came to Calgary for the olympics tenfold, then we went up there.

The tradition of collecting and trading pins were established in Calgary, as well as feel good stories like the Jamaica Bobsled team? eh?

[Tron_fdc]

The actual figures are supposed to be relatively close the expected audience. The World's have grown since 2001, so it's okay to assume the World's draw over 4 billion, while the latest Olympics drew 2 billion.

4 billion - 2 billion = 2 billion.

That's a HUGE difference in TV ratings.

Once again, they're expectations and not actuals. Being an accounting student, I'm quite surprised you're trying to use it. Surely you should know what happens when you tell the bank you expect to make a million dollars, vs I just made a million dollars. Your stats are irrelavent until proven. And again, I'm not disputing how many more people watch IAAF events vs olympics, only pointing out the flaws in your agrguments, which you have happily pointed out in others.

No I'm not nuts. I would take an event that has DOUBLE the popularity. Even a large population of Calgarians made the trip to Edmonton to watch the World's 3rd largest event.

Okay, now you're using your TV ratings claim to try and support your argument. It's not double the popularity until you prove it is. Regardless, if I understand your argument correctly, you would rather host the World Series of Poker than the Stanley Cup? I mean hey, it probably gets higher ratings, right? Maybe double? What about ping pong? I hear they get KILLER crowds in Asia. Crazy talk, my friend.

You're either nuts, you're lying because you've backed yourself into a corner, or, well, you're nuts. No way would any Canadian in their right mind choose a track and field event over the Winter Olympics, no matter how popular said track meet is. I'm sorry, but I don't believe you would either, seeing as you're a member of 2 (that I know of) hockey boards.

[An Old Edmonton Poster]

Originally posted by Tron_fdc@Feb 1 2005, 07:52 PM

Once again, they're expectations and not actuals. Being an accounting student, I'm quite surprised you're trying to use it. Surely you should know what happens when you tell the bank you expect to make a million dollars, vs I just made a million dollars. Your stats are irrelavent until proven. And again, I'm not disputing how many more people watch IAAF events vs olympics, only pointing out the flaws in your agrguments, which you have happily pointed out in others.

Okay, now you're using your TV ratings claim to try and support your argument. It's not double the popularity until you prove it is. Regardless, if I understand your argument correctly, you would rather host the World Series of Poker than the Stanley Cup? I mean hey, it probably gets higher ratings, right? Maybe double? What about ping pong? I hear they get KILLER crowds in Asia. Crazy talk, my friend.

You're either nuts, you're lying because you've backed yourself into a corner, or, well, you're nuts. No way would any Canadian in their right mind choose a track and field event over the Winter Olympics, no matter how popular said track meet is. I'm sorry, but I don't believe you would either, seeing as you're a member of 2 (that I know of) hockey boards.

haha, you are so jealous.

1) Those expected numbers aren't just numbers thrown out of the hat. They are numbers which are close to the actual numbers.

Just look at France - 7 million ACTUAL viewers on average. 7 Million * 10 days = 70 million viewers in France, alone. Add up another hundred countries, and 4 billion seems on the low side.

2) Your analogies are hardly relevant in this case. World Series of Poker is hardly a huge international event, nor is Ping Pong. The World Track and Field Championships are HIGHLY popular ALL over the world. With over 200 countries participating, that's a good measuring device. I don't know how many Winter countries participate, but it's NOT in 3 figures.

Ask yourself this? Do you prefer watching the Grey Cup or the Superbowl? Which event would you rather have Calgary host?

3) "No way would any Canadian in their right mind choose a track and field event over the Winter Olympics, no matter how popular said track meet is. "

You speak for all Canadians? Congrats.

I've said, I'd rather take an International event this is POPULAR ALL OVER THE WORLD, rather than an event that is mostly only relevant in Canada, or some northern European countries.

4) Whatever you say, it doesn't matter. The World's are bigger INTERNATIONALLY than the Winter Olympics, and the fact is that Edmonton has hosted the biggest International event in the World.

[Tron_fdc]

Wow, now I KNOW you're nuts. Thanks for affirming it.

Jealousy has nothing to do with it; I don't care if it's Toronto, Winnipeg, Edmonton or Calgary hosting it...I'd take the Olympics over an IAAF event ANYDAY. You're pretty delusional if you think the populations of aforementioned cities would say or vote otherwise. Do you seriously think Hamilton would come out and say "Hey, I'd rather watch 2 or 3 people MAYBE medal in track over all of our well known National Heroes competing at a local venue.....guys like Iginla or Yzerman".

Anyways,

Just look at France - 7 million ACTUAL viewers on average. 7 Million * 10 days = 70 million viewers in France, alone. Add up another hundred countries, and 4 billion seems on the low side.

Show me the figures then. It's irrelavent unless you do, so stop trying to pull figures outta yer arse. I'll agree with you when (if) you do.

Your analogies are hardly relevant in this case. World Series of Poker is hardly a huge international event, nor is Ping Pong. The World Track and Field Championships are HIGHLY popular ALL over the world. With over 200 countries participating, that's a good measuring device. I don't know how many Winter countries participate, but it's NOT in 3 figures.

Hardly relevant? I'M USING YOUR REASONING!! Need proof?

Originally posted by your words
No I'm not nuts. I would take an event that has DOUBLE the popularity.

I can easily argue that poker (or even Nascar) has twice the popularity of the SCF, so therefore, using your reasoning, you would host poker or a Nascar event over watching the hometown Oil compete in the cup final.

Ask yourself this? Do you prefer watching the Grey Cup or the Superbowl? Which event would you rather have Calgary host?

Grey Cup. No question. Way more signifigance to the city. I'll admit a bias here though, as I hate football. I'm also not sure why you posted this, as you are using sporting events that you just tried to disqualify (not "international enough").

Whatever you say, it doesn't matter. The World's are bigger INTERNATIONALLY than the Winter Olympics,

I've never questioned this claim. Actually, I agree with it. I'm merely pointing out that in terms of signifigance to Canadians, the majority would choose to host an event that is identifiable with the fabric and culture that defines it. Can you name the location of the last 4 or 5 IAAF events? Prior to today I couldn't. Do the same for the Winter Olympics, and see what you come up with.

and the fact is that Edmonton has hosted the biggest International event in the World.

You sure you don't want to edit that? I can think of a few events (both sporting and non sporting) bigger than your track meet.

[calf]

Originally posted by Sundeep Malhi+Feb 1 2005, 05:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sundeep Malhi @ Feb 1 2005, 05:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-I-Hate-Hulse@Feb 1 2005, 01:40 PM

Recruiting season is in October so the job postings are down right now but feel free to stop by the Career center at the UofA to validate these numbers. Better yet, ask any 4th year student nearby who's gone through the recruiting process. 3rd party confirmation is always best you know....

You'll also be surprised to know that the CA firms are larger in Calgary vs Vancouver. The greater number of corporate head offices plus the higher complexity of the clients here demand it. Didn't Shaw move from Edmonton to Calgary to be closer to the action?

So at the end of the day, welcome to Calgary! :tup:

In these days, any information is available on the internet.

I'm not going to go out of my way to help prove your argument. If your claims are as true as you make them seem, find some proof. [/b][/quote]
I'm in my fourth year in Accounting at U of C. Fortunately I got recruiting out of the way when I did my co-op term last year. But I have plenty of friends/aquantences that went through the process this past October and pretty much every single one a) got a job, b) had several to choose from. And this is just U of C - lord knows how many are coming here from Saskatchewan, U of A, or anywhere else. I'm sure you're quite the competent individual, but don't let your petty hatred of Calgary get in the way of your future.