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[Agamemnon]

I doubt Calgary is the best place to have Wrestlemania. It would _have_ to be held in McMahon, the Saddledome wouldn't even come close to reaching the 30-40,000 plus crowds that this event regularly draws. I know its set records in many venues, including the Skydome and Astrodome.

Though, to be fair, I think it may have been held in Madison Square Garden a few times, and I have no idea how many seats that place has.

edit: Didn't we have Summer Slam or something way back in the day? The Canada vs. USA feud? All I remember is that we won...

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally posted by Agamemnon@Feb 2 2005, 01:30 AM
edit: Didn't we have Summer Slam or something way back in the day? The Canada vs. USA feud? All I remember is that we won...

Exactly my point. Does the WWE really hope to accomplish anything if a Canadian DOESN'T win a proposed Wrestlemania in Calgary? To have that event in Calgary is ludicrous enough, let alone having a non-Canadian win gold (namely the World Championship).

[Deelow]

Originally posted by Ozy_Flame+Feb 2 2005, 01:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ozy_Flame @ Feb 2 2005, 01:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Agamemnon@Feb 2 2005, 01:30 AM
edit: Didn't we have Summer Slam or something way back in the day? The Canada vs. USA feud? All I remember is that we won...

Exactly my point. Does the WWE really hope to accomplish anything if a Canadian DOESN'T win a proposed Wrestlemania in Calgary? To have that event in Calgary is ludicrous enough, let alone having a non-Canadian win gold (namely the World Championship). [/b][/quote]
Wrestlemania is more about PPV money than asses in seats. That said, the name "Wrestlamania" will sell out the saddledome easily. No question. Story lines won't matter. It's the biggest wrestling show in the world and has been for years. Story lines are for PPVs...and that's really where the money is. How many chances do you get to go to Wrestlemania? I've never had one. I don't like wrestling anymore but I'd consider buying a ticket just to say I went. There will be a lot of people just like me...

So tell me why Calgary is any less deserving than any of the other cities? There is a rich wrestling history, people have the spare cash to buy tickets, and I guess the building meets the standards.

If they can sell a Bret Hart returns to the WWF to take on Stone Cold or Michaels in his home town that will draw HUGE PPV #s....

tickets for Wrestlemania sell themselves. They will be sold out long before any cards are announced.

[Ozy_Flame]

Don't think so, Deelow. Not when there is more money to be made in a larger city, a larger stadium, and PPV buy-rates have next to no correlation with where the PPV is located. Why would the WWE choose Calgary when they can go to a bigger venue? Doesn't make sense at all. Especially when the rumor is McMahon Stadium in March. March for crying out loud. This is when it can still snow 20 centimetres, and still reach -10 degrees. That's a ridiculous proposal, and the WWE would have to be prepared to spend a mass amount of money to protect and cover the field properly, which by the way is extremely expensive to do - I've done a whole semester's work on marketing case studies on the field, so I know. Not only that, but to guarantee against bad weather, they'd have to cover the entire stadium and heat it. I don't think it takes a brain surgeon to see that it is obviously very expensive, and would need to guarantee huge revenue to offset this.

And this whole 'Dome thing is just something another poster brought up. If anyone here think's its feasible, then I implore you to call Vinny Mac up and let him know. The rumor, as it stands, is for McMahon Stadium, and not the 'Dome.

And where are all you getting this kiss-and-make-up story between Bret and Vince? Show me the proof. I've never heard of such a thing. And if Bret Hart showed up at a Wrestlemania in any role other than an audience member, then I'll eat my hat.

[Prototype]

I don't know if it were true or not, but I'd be there.

I've been watching wrestling for atleast 17 years. I have dreamed of going to a Wrestlemania since that time. I have been a fan since a sleeper, elbow from the second rope and a leg drop were considered "finishers". I know what kayfabe is. I've road triped to Edmonton to see Smackdown, Kelowna to watch one of the only WCW Nitros in Canada, and almost every taping in Calgary. And yes, I know that wrestling is scripted, but never call it fake!

Feasable? Oh hell yeah. Consider this... house shows in Calgary may have only scored around 6000. But this is Wrestle-F'n-mania. People from all over the world travel to whatever city it's in to be a part of the biggest event of the year. If you think the McMahon/Dome won't be sold out, you have got to give your damn head a shake. Not only will every of the 20,000 "hockey" seats be filled, but the floor seats that they hold of an event like this will also be sold out. IMO they will have to have more floor seats then at a RAW or house show due to the size of the event. The prime tickets usually fetch $300 a seat from Ticketmaster, not scalpers.

Having WM22 at McMahon is a weather gamble, but they will be able to have more seats available for the event.

Bret and Vince are on talking terms, but not quite on professional terms from what I have read online. For those of you that think that Bret wouldn't do anything at a WM in Calgary, you've gotta be kidding me. Not only would he be inducted in the WWE Hall Of Fame (yes, Pete Rose beat Bret Hart into the HOF), but he will be the main reason that WM would be in Calgary. No Bret, No WM in Cowtown. It's a fact.

"In Your House: Canadian Stampede" was held in Calgary durring the "Greatest Outdoor Show On Earth". I can't remember the year... I am guessing around the 96/97 time cause I was still in high school, and I was front row. Infact, if you pause "Wrestling With Shadows" at the right time, you can see me try to give five to Golddust.

And yes I do have a life outside wrestling. It was something introduced to me at a young age. I trained really hard, said my prayers and ate my vitamins. It was introduced to me at about the same time as hockey... and I'm a nut about hockey.

Bottom line is that WM in Calgary is feasable IMO. But there are many factors involved... But around the Rumble you hear rumours about where the WM 2 years away is being held. They'll announce it around WM21.

Here's me crossing my fingers.

[Prototype]

Originally posted by Ozy_Flame@Feb 2 2005, 04:14 AM
And where are all you getting this kiss-and-make-up story between Bret and Vince? Show me the proof. I've never heard of such a thing. And if Bret Hart showed up at a Wrestlemania in any role other than an audience member, then I'll eat my hat.

As a marketing student, you would know that Bret would need permission to have WWF/WWE material on his official site. Who do you think he got this from? The Brooklyn Brawler?

BretHart.com

You do make very valid points, and as a marketing student, I'm sure you have worked out the numbers and everything. But you have to understand one thing... this is a dream of mine, and every wrestling fan who's ever tried a "sharpshooter" on their buddies. Numbers or not, you've gotta let us have the hopes of Calgary hosting a WM.

[calf]

So WrestleMania22 is held in 2006, if I'm not mistaken?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally posted by Prottotype@Feb 2 2005, 04:21 AM
As a marketing student, you would know that Bret would need permission to have WWF/WWE material on his official site. Who do you think he got this from? The Brooklyn Brawler?

BretHart.com

What material are you looking at that is WWE owned and used on Hart's website? I see none.

And even if there was WWE material on his website, how is that any indication Vince and Hart made up? Could all be legal bureaucracy for all we know.

BTW, I'm not a marketing student, but I have studied events to help the McMahon Society generate extra revenue. This was actually an idea presented to them by students in Haskayne School of Business, but they rejected it because they said they have looked at it before and it's not feasible to hold such an event unless the entire stadium was full. I don't doubt that Wrestlemania would be a huge draw, there are just so many factors working against it, I just don't see it happening even for as much as I want it to.

[Prototype]

Originally posted by Ozy_Flame@Feb 2 2005, 04:34 AM
What material are you looking at that is WWE owned and used on Hart's website? I see none.

And even if there was WWE material on his website, how is that any indication Vince and Hart made up? Could all be legal bureaucracy for all we know.

I don't have a link, but I remember Bret's photo collection and video collection was a stickler point between the two. Bret has WWF/E and WCW magazine covers in his "Media" section.

You don't have to believe me, cause I don't have proof right now. And it is the internet where anything can be stolen... But think about this: a) Do you think that Bret would want anything WWF/E or WCW on his website if they weren't patched up. b) If it's considered copyrighted, don't you think McMahon would keep close eyes on Bret if they hated eachother so that he could make more money off Bret?

Again, I don't have proof, and I'm not gonna go looking for it right now, but I do remember they have talked since, according to a bunch of sites I visit.

[Inferno]

Originally posted by Ozy_Flame@Feb 1 2005, 11:14 PM
And where are all you getting this kiss-and-make-up story between Bret and Vince? Show me the proof. I've never heard of such a thing. And if Bret Hart showed up at a Wrestlemania in any role other than an audience member, then I'll eat my hat.

I've heard Bret say on Off The Record a few years ago that him and Vince are on speaking terms and that he no longer has a "hatred" for him. I've also read that he wants to make one last return to WWE TV for one night as a final farwell but it would have to be under the right terms. Wrestlemania in Calgary would be the perfect night for that but whether it happens we'll see.

[albertGQ]

Originally posted by Inferno@Feb 1 2005, 09:53 PM
I've heard Bret say on Off The Record a few years ago that him and Vince are on speaking terms and that he no longer has a "hatred" for him. I've also read that he wants to make one last return to WWE TV for one night as a final farwell but it would have to be under the right terms. Wrestlemania in Calgary would be the perfect night for that but whether it happens we'll see.

You are correct. I have seen that episode. Bret and Vince have made up. Vince called Bret up after Bret suffered his stroke. Ever since Vince picked up the phone to see if Bret was okay, they have gotten along. That is a fact! I heard Bret say it on OTR

[Julio]

I for one just can't see 'Mania coming to Calgary for next year.

McMahon isn't even an option. No way you can chance the weather. Besides, for the most part arenas have been where mania has been held...MSG last year, the Staples Centre this year.
Which brings up the point that it seems like they bounce between the east and west...the last four, including 2005 have been in Toronto, Seattle, New York and LA.
People are right to say that house attendance is down. The last house show in Calgary wasn't during the playoffs at all, but this fall, and it wasn't @ the Dome, but the Corral, and drew about 1500 on a Sunday afternoon (a Smackdown show before a Raw PPV as I recall). But for a PPV I think that the draw would be better, and you could pretty much hold Mania anywhere and it would sell out an arena, just from the out of town people.
So I would count out Mania XXII, but I have heard rumblings of the possibilities of a May house show or TV taping, and maybe a fall PPV, maybe King of the Ring.

[albertGQ]

WWE can advertise it as Wrestlemania is going to be held at Vince McMahon Stadium!!!

[CaramonLS]

I honestly don't think the WWE has anything to worry about in terms of drawing crowds... Its a whole different ball game when you are talking about wresltemania.

Edm, Red Deer, even our friends south of the border are going to send tons of people just for the event.

Also a great promotion to say one final goodbye to Brett Hart - which will draw a ton for the PPV.

[Jiggy_12]

I don't see what the drawback of bad weather would be. Fans would still come out, and the performers aren't going to notice if its a little bit cold out. When you compete at a high level like that, the temperature is the last thing you are feeling.

[Julio]

Originally posted by Jiggy_12@Feb 1 2005, 11:05 PM
I don't see what the drawback of bad weather would be. Fans would still come out, and the performers aren't going to notice if its a little bit cold out. When you compete at a high level like that, the temperature is the last thing you are feeling.

Humm...wrestling in a snowstorm...right...
Sorry, but it's not because the wrestlers would get cold, but because there would be the possability of a weather related cancellation that there is no way they would do it. The only time WM has been outside was when it was in Las Vegas, and even then I think there was a contigency plan to move it on a couple days notice if the weather was bad (they did the show in a temp stadium Caesars Palace used back then for big boxing matches, and it sat about 15000, so they could have moved to the Thomas and Mack Centre if they had to).

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally posted by Jiggy_12@Feb 2 2005, 06:05 AM
I don't see what the drawback of bad weather would be. Fans would still come out, and the performers aren't going to notice if its a little bit cold out. When you compete at a high level like that, the temperature is the last thing you are feeling.

Not necessarily true. The temperature can make for greater chances of pulling muscles and getting stiff; these wrestlers would have to be constantly moving just to keep warm; it would disrupt the pace of a match.

[Deelow]

I can't see McMahon being an option but I still don't see why the Saddledome wouldn't work. A crowd around 18,000 is on par with any other arena in North America.

I don't think they'd even consider it unless Bret Hart was involved though. That will be the PPV bread and butter.

[the crispy badger]

Originally posted by Agamemnon@Feb 1 2005, 06:30 PM
I doubt Calgary is the best place to have Wrestlemania. It would _have_ to be held in McMahon, the Saddledome wouldn't even come close to reaching the 30-40,000 plus crowds that this event regularly draws. I know its set records in many venues, including the Skydome and Astrodome.

Though, to be fair, I think it may have been held in Madison Square Garden a few times, and I have no idea how many seats that place has.

edit: Didn't we have Summer Slam or something way back in the day? The Canada vs. USA feud? All I remember is that we won...

Wasn't Summerslam..it was in your house canadian stampede....this was actually called of the best pay per views of all time..due to the crowd reaction and the good matches..

[the crispy badger]

Originally posted by calf@Feb 1 2005, 09:21 PM
So WrestleMania22 is held in 2006, if I'm not mistaken?

Wrestlemania is held ever March..