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Displaced Flames fan · 03-06-2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nehkara

...free to be happily fundamentalist christian.

evman150 · 03-06-2006, 07:05 PM

The right wing regressive movement continues...

Quite sad really.

Igottago · 03-06-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

And enough with mocking the land of the free thing. It's so old.

But its such an easy target when you hear stories like this....can't be said enough.

Displaced Flames fan · 03-06-2006, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Igottago

But its such an easy target when you hear stories like this....can't be said enough.

But it comes off as so petty when you consider the amount of freedom we have in our countries compared to many places on the face of the planet. It just makes it look like you hate the US.

The story is pretty insignificant anyway. As I said, the law will be declared unconstitutional before long. It's nothing more than a challenge of Roe V. Wade and it will fail.

Igottago · 03-06-2006, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

But it comes off as so petty when you consider the amount of freedom we have in our countries compared to many places on the face of the planet. It just makes it look like you hate the US.

The story is pretty insignificant anyway. As I said, the law will be declared unconstitutional before long. It's nothing more than a challenge of Roe V. Wade and it will fail.

I'm not the one actually making a mockery of the "land of the free"...the american government and media sensationalize it more than anyone..The President can't say a sentence without mentioning "freedom"..american culture is obsessed with the word and the idea of "freedom"..so I find it hilarious when stories like this happen...its not anti-american at all, its just pointing out the absurdity of how "freedom" is such a massive notion in american culture...

and I hope you're right about it being deemed unconstitutional, but I disagree that a state trying to push for this kind of law is really insignificant..there must be a few people who feel its the right way to go.

SweetDoc · 03-06-2006, 07:47 PM

I don't believe in abortion except for rape. Here is the thing, if it is rape, how can the mother keep the child knowing what happened and where the child came from? So then if she gives it up for adoption, what happens when the kid grows up and finds out where he/she came from ? The kid would have serious issues. If they could make sure the kid never found out he/she was a rape baby, then fine, I would never agree with abortion. This is a very strong statement and I don't if any of you have been in this situation to add feelings, but if I was with a woman and got her pregnant and she aborted it, I would be ****ed. For one thing I don't agree with abortion and for another, if she didn't want it, I certainly would, and I would give the child a great upbringing and great family life. I believe once the woman is pregnant and there is a baby in there, it is a child, if a woman makes the decision to end my child's life for any other reason than to save her life, she shouldn't feel to darn upset if I make the same decision about her life. Abortion shouldn't be an alternitive for not being responsible. If any of you know what it feels like to lose a child, you know what it feels like to see people abort one when yours is gone.

FireFly · 03-06-2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

This incest and rape justification is stupid.

If it's a life, it's a life. Just because the woman was raped doesn't mean the baby is the evil seed of satan.

If you're willing to accept abortion for incest or rape, you should be willing to accept abortion as a means of birth control. It might be morally repugnant, but a life is a life is a life, if that's how you think.

The sins of the father.... to fundies, it would be the evil seed of satan.

Azure · 03-06-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

This incest and rape justification is stupid.

If it's a life, it's a life. Just because the woman was raped doesn't mean the baby is the evil seed of satan.

If you're willing to accept abortion for incest or rape, you should be willing to accept abortion as a means of birth control. It might be morally repugnant, but a life is a life is a life, if that's how you think.

I sure as hell hope that no one is accepting it on the grounds that it is population control. What next? Kill a couple hundred million other people because we need population control?

Azure · 03-06-2006, 07:55 PM

Personally I don't understand why anyone would choose abortion, considering you can just give up your baby for adoption anyways.

CaramonLS · 03-06-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SweetDoc

I don't believe in abortion except for rape. Here is the thing, if it is rape, how can the mother keep the child knowing what happened and where the child came from? So then if she gives it up for adoption, what happens when the kid grows up and finds out where he/she came from ? The kid would have serious issues. If they could make sure the kid never found out he/she was a rape baby, then fine, I would never agree with abortion. This is a very strong statement and I don't if any of you have been in this situation to add feelings, but if I was with a woman and got her pregnant and she aborted it, I would be ****ed. For one thing I don't agree with abortion and for another, if she didn't want it, I certainly would, and I would give the child a great upbringing and great family life. I believe once the woman is pregnant and there is a baby in there, it is a child, if a woman makes the decision to end my child's life for any other reason than to save her life, she shouldn't feel to darn upset if I make the same decision about her life. Abortion shouldn't be an alternitive for not being responsible. If any of you know what it feels like to lose a child, you know what it feels like to see people abort one when yours is gone.

No matter what your personal beliefs on abortion are, you should be opposed to this.

The last thing we need is more backalley abortions, because one way or another, people who want an abortion that badly, will get one.

Displaced Flames fan · 03-06-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Igottago

I'm not the one actually making a mockery of the "land of the free"...the american government and media sensationalize it more than anyone..The President can't say a sentence without mentioning "freedom"..american culture is obsessed with the word and the idea of "freedom"..so I find it hilarious when stories like this happen...its not anti-american at all, its just pointing out the absurdity of how "freedom" is such a massive notion in american culture...

and I hope you're right about it being deemed unconstitutional, but I disagree that a state trying to push for this kind of law is really insignificant..there must be a few people who feel its the right way to go.

Of course there are more than a few people who feel it is the right way to go. But, it is extremely difficult to overturn Supreme Court decisions.
It's insignificant IMO because it has little hope of changing anything.

Displaced Flames fan · 03-06-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

Personally I don't understand why anyone would choose abortion, considering you can just give up your baby for adoption anyways.

Fear, ignorance, intimidation.

There are plenty of reasons women/girls choose abortion.

Displaced Flames fan · 03-06-2006, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CaramonLS

No matter what your personal beliefs on abortion are, you should be opposed to this.

The last thing we need is more backalley abortions, because one way or another, people who want an abortion that badly, will get one.

Exactly.

Well said CamaronLS.

Azure · 03-06-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Fear, ignorance, intimidation.

There are plenty of reasons women/girls choose abortion.

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Good point. I guess I'll probably never be in that position.

SweetDoc · 03-06-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CaramonLS

No matter what your personal beliefs on abortion are, you should be opposed to this.

The last thing we need is more backalley abortions, because one way or another, people who want an abortion that badly, will get one.

That's not true at all. Only the really desperate people would have a backalley abortion, most of the people wouldn't consider it if it wasn't a viable, legal option.

Azure · 03-06-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SweetDoc

That's not true at all. Only the really desperate people would have a backalley abortion, most of the people wouldn't consider it if it wasn't a viable, legal option.

Well in order to even consider abortion, one must be pretty desperate in the first place. If the clinic can't do it for them, they'll find another way.

FireFly · 03-06-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Fear, ignorance, intimidation.

There are plenty of reasons women/girls choose abortion.

Some are just selfish, but that's another story for another time.

CaramonLS · 03-06-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SweetDoc

That's not true at all. Only the really desperate people would have a backalley abortion, most of the people wouldn't consider it if it wasn't a viable, legal option.

You're a 16 year old girl who made a big mistake with your first boyfriend. You think your dad is literally going to strangle you if he finds out you are pregnant.

Yes, it is a very real problem and a very real situation.

FireFly · 03-06-2006, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

Well in order to even consider abortion, one must be pretty desperate in the first place. If the clinic can't do it for them, they'll find another way.

Not all are desperate. In some cases, if a clinic won't do it, a girl would end up giving the baby to someone who wanted it.

SweetDoc · 03-06-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

Well in order to even consider abortion, one must be pretty desperate in the first place. If the clinic can't do it for them, they'll find another way.

Considering abortion has nothing to do with being desperate. I live in an area that has more teen pregnancies per capita than anywhere else in the province. Most of the girls I talk to have considered abortion, they aren't desperate, they freely admit it they aren't. They only consider it because it's there and it's legal. The ones who have had an abortion say that it's a hard decision to make, but because it's acceptable and legal, it's jsut another tough decision, if it were illegal, there is no way they would do it. Like I said, there is a ton of that going on here, research is easy to get, and it isn't second hand information I'm getting. There are exceptions to every rule of course, but there would not be jsut as many abortions if it were illegal.