Are the Flames re-building?

[bubbsy]

They added no one in free agency, and continue to trade vets.

The counter argument to that is that they have simply traded their upcoming vets. What the real distinction will be is if they get more proactive with their vets, and aim to move them at their more maximum asset value . That’s why it’s so interesting to see what they do with kadri and Coleman this deadline. Could they wait till the offseason or the deadline next year (for Coleman), sure, but if they are seeing a positive market now, why not execute the move now.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by starseed

Can these people let us know the strain of their last purchase?


calgaryboy, Flames_F.T.W, Jason14h, topfiverecords

Regular coffee, two cream.

[gvitaly]

The worst season in franchise history had the Flames finishing 27th. They currently sit comfortably at 29th, so yeah they're rebuilding. Was it the plan all along? Probably not, but hopefully they embrace it, and do it properly this time.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by starseed

Can these people let us know the strain of their last purchase?


calgaryboy, Flames_F.T.W, Jason14h, topfiverecords

It was a binary yes / no and I don’t think they have been rebuilding for the past 2 seasons so only 1 option to select

The Andersson trade didn’t change my opinion either way - he was getting traded no matter what and the return was pretty good but did include a play now D

I also do not believe they will trade anyone for the rest of the season to rebuild.

I’m in the rebiggle camp but it wasn’t there

[Burninator]

Yes they are rebuilding.

I think some of the uncertainty is from the holding pattern that was last season. Last season we were in an awkward position of being close to making the playoffs. Management didn't want to submarine our playoff chances by moving vets. A gamble that didn't pay off IMO.

If the Flames were in the same place they are in the standings now they would have made more moves. But because we are rebuilding they didn't make any trades to try and make the playoffs last season.

[dino7c]

lol this should be good...

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

It was a binary yes / no and I don’t think they have been rebuilding for the past 2 seasons so only 1 option to select

The Andersson trade didn’t change my opinion either way - he was getting traded no matter what and the return was pretty good but did include a play now D

I also do not believe they will trade anyone for the rest of the season to rebuild.

I’m in the rebiggle camp but it wasn’t there

I just can't believe when faced with a binary decision you broke the tie to no.

A reluctant yes ... sure.

But no?

[LouCypher]

Obviously

[Monahammer]

They are rebuilding, they're just not doing it effectively. They are letting players dictate the pace that they move, they aren't taking advantage of opportunities when they present themselves, and they are slow to admit that they've taken the wrong direction when it's abundantly clear to even us arm chair fans.

[dino7c]

Poll reminds me of Alberta separatists

VERY vocal, VERY much the minority

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Table 5

As is Flames tradition, they are somewhat late and dragging their feet about it, but at this point, hard to deny it's anything but a rebuild.

They got rid of Markstrom, Hanifin, Mangiapane, Toffoli, Lindholm, Zadorov, and Tanev pretty quickly. They waited to get value on Andersson. They are likely trading Coleman and/or Kadri too, but needed to wait to get value on those guys, plus they filled out the roster.

[Monahammer]

If a person has a dilapated house, and they sit on it for a few years and allow things to start falling in, and finally rot seeps through a retaining wall and most of the roof comes down, do you say: that person demolished their house!

I would not. I think that's what we're looking at here.

[TheIronMaiden]

I understand the position that the Flames messed up by signing Huderdeau and Trading Monahan with a First. That 100% delayed the rebuild, but since Conroy took over it is pretty close to as good as you can expect.

[dino7c]

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just can't believe when faced with a binary decision you broke the tie to no.

A reluctant yes ... sure.

But no?

Jiri said don’t consider the past just now . And they made no rebuilding moves today and I don’t think they will for the rest of the year

I think they will wait and see next year at the beginning again and see how the team does - very similar to this season.

I don’t think they believe they are this bad …. Even after this season

[Phaneufenstein]

need another poll that asks if the Flames are re-biggling.

[Kipper_3434]

I wouldn't say they are rebuilding, as there wasn't much here to begin with. They are definitely building something but I think a true rebuild would entail moving out big names under term for multiple high end futures.

That's all to say, the more interesting question to me, is how does one define a rebuild? Is it simply leaning into a tank for one season like the Flames seem to be doing? Or is it trying to finish at the bottom like SJ/ CHI for multiple years in a row?

Everyone knows the Flames have been moving out vets with multiple years on their contracts and all UFAs. We've seen a focus on acquiring young players with upside and early draft picks. The team also hasn't signed a high profile free agent in years, nor have they traded for one. I think if they move out Kadri and don't bring in a similar caliber vet C, we can safely say the team has chosen not to be competitive for a few seasons. Most fans would have to agree that we are in a definitive rebuild at that point.

[circle]

One does not simply answer yes/no to a yes/no poll.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I understand the position that the Flames messed up by signing Huderdeau and Trading Monahan with a First. That 100% delayed the rebuild, but since Conroy took over it is pretty close to as good as you can expect.

I don't think they were rebuilding then. They were definitely just trying to replace two top line players.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

They are rebuilding, they're just not doing it effectively. They are letting players dictate the pace that they move, they aren't taking advantage of opportunities when they present themselves, and they are slow to admit that they've taken the wrong direction when it's abundantly clear to even us arm chair fans.

What are these missed opportunities that "presented themselves"?

And why do they need to publicly admit anything?