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Originally Posted by opendoor
You really don't know what you're talking about. Persistent, chronic infections can occur with respiratory viruses. It happens with COVID and that is theorized to be one of the primary mechanisms for mutations. There are documented cases of people who've had active COVID infections for 2 years straight, as their body is unable to clear it.
Is that the case with any of these stupid ostriches? You can't really know without doing a bunch of regular PCR tests and hoping for the best, but that's not viable or cost effective for taxpayers to be funding that, nor is it responsible. There's reason why it's standard protocol (and indeed a requirement under Canadian trade agreements) to destroy a flock when avian flu is discovered in it.
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FYI...Update on Gov Website:
Canadian Food Inspection Agency operations and custody of ostriches at Edgewood, British Columbia - Canada.ca
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Here’s a breakdown of the major inaccuracies, contradictions, and failures of science in that CFIA statement — and how the reality on the ground at Universal Ostrich Farm in Edgewood differs:
Ohhhhhhh CFIA ...............
1. Custody and Care Misrepresentation
CFIA Claim: They are “providing appropriate feed and water under veterinary oversight.
Reality: it took supporters screaming on a megaphone to get the ostriches, fed for the 1st day and a 1/2. They were dumping their food on the ground, not on the buckets, right in front of them. It has taken now a few days to make sure that they had communication with us. Because now they won't move. Only talk with us over an email that twenty six buckets of feed, go out and the timing and the routine is very important to their health.
Reality: The ostriches were healthy, strong, and thriving for 9 months prior under farm care. Any “compromised ostrich” the CFIA is citing is the same bird injured when police/CFIA agents flipped it over a fence twice during attempts to corral animals, not because of disease or natural decline. The only bird in distress is one harmed by enforcement action — not illness.
This is misdirection, making it appear as though disease is present when the compromised condition stems from human mishandling.
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2. Scientific Failure: No Current Testing
CFIA Claim: “Confirmation of H5N1” and “whole genome sequencing” prove ongoing infection.
Reality:
All references are based on two PCR tests from December 2024 — with no live follow-up testing of animals, eggs, blood, water, or soil since then.
Healthy survival of 300+ ostriches for over 9 months contradicts the claim that a “most virulent” strain is actively circulating. A virus supposedly lethal in 4–5 days could not coexist with thriving animals for hundreds of days.
This is a failure of scientific method: extraordinary claims about virulence, but no repeatable observation in the living flock.
3. Contradiction in Genomic Epidemiology
CFIA Claim: Samples from UOF are “direct genetic ancestors” of viruses later appearing in Ohio/Missouri.
Reality:
Such an assertion is speculative at best. Viruses recombine globally; causality cannot be proven by statistical inference alone.
The CFIA never demonstrated movement of birds, people, or material from UOF to those U.S. farms. No trade routes, no epidemiological trail.
Claiming “ancestry” from a single December 2024 isolate without updated surveillance ignores basic evolutionary science: viruses mutate rapidly, and multiple parallel reassortments are common.
This is politicized science, not evidence.
4. Failure of Proportionality and Transparency
CFIA Claim: “Stamping out policy protects human health, animal health, and trade access.”
Reality:
The stamping-out policy is pre-scientific, designed decades ago before modern diagnostics and antibody science.
Other countries (e.g., U.S., EU states) use targeted testing and vaccination strategies to avoid mass extermination of rare or valuable animals.
The refusal to test surviving ostriches — when ostrich antibodies (IgY) are globally recognized as powerful antiviral tools — represents a destruction of science itself. We're stamping out, we are losing our biodiversity and genetic diversity in our animals. This is putting humanity at risk needs to be stopped to protect the firewall, in which our older animals develop and gets passed down to their young.
This is not about health; it is about trade optics and bureaucratic control.
5. Injury Blamed as “Compromised Health”
CFIA Claim: They “identified an ostrich with compromised health.”
Reality: That ostrich was injured by being flipped over a fence twice during police/CFIA containment actions.
No veterinary evidence shows any disease condition. They would not give the proper treatment because they would not communicate properly for 2 days. We just got confirmation today that hen received treatment for her swelling in her legs that she flipped over the fence, twice because of their drones flying low, while we screamed at them to stop.
By misreporting trauma as illness, CFIA inflates a narrative of “disease presence.”
This is a false attribution — blaming disease for a harm they themselves caused.
6. Failure to Uphold Scientific Standards
CFIA’s science failures include:
No longitudinal data: ignoring 9 months of survival and health.
No transparency: refusing independent testing by third-party labs or veterinary experts.
Contradiction of basic virology: a virus supposedly lethal in days cannot explain months of thriving birds.
No control group comparison: not testing healthy ostriches alongside presumed-infected samples.
This is the definition of science abandoned: cherry-picking old data, refusing updated evidence, and misusing genomics to justify pre-decided actions.
In summary:
The CFIA statement is riddled with inaccuracies and misrepresentations: citing an old December test as though it proves ongoing infection; mislabeling an enforcement injury as disease; claiming viral ancestry with no epidemiological trail; and refusing to test living, thriving animals who themselves prove the scientific narrative wrong.
