[Trade] Stars trade Mathew Dumba + 2028 2nd to Pens for D Vladislav Kolyachonok

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by blankall

This seems like kind of a Dumb-a move for Pittsburgh to me.

They bought a 2nd round pick for taking on the contract. They're trying to tank so they dont care if he's any good for them

[TheScorpion]

Would've been a nice move for Calgary to make

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

...would this not count as weaponizing cap space?

Pretty good return for Pittsburgh. This is effectively a Sean Monahan premium being paid here. 2nd round pick for $3.75M.

I did not think Dumba would be that level of a dump. Dallas paying a price that we haven't seen paid in a few years...hard to believe they're doing this without a larger purpose...

That's funny. I think this lines up with what I said to you in the other thread: Dumba = Negative 2nd round pick.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Would've been a nice move for Calgary to make

In a heartbeat, this is exactly the type of moves the Flames should be making, and despite all the claims of wanting to weaponize capspace, have never made.

[TheScorpion]

Hopefully they take on a guy like Lyubushkin to maximize the return if they do trade Rasmus to Dallas, would make a decent stopgap as the #7D and they could flip him at the deadline

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

In a heartbeat, this is exactly the type of moves the Flames should be making, and despite all the claims of wanting to weaponize capspace, have never made.

TBH I think they did weaponize it a bit on the Frost / Farabee trade, but in a bit of a different way where they bet on young guys to rebound.

Overall I do wonder how much appetite Ownership has to truly just buy assets like this case here...If I'm owner I'm not sure I'd love paying $3.75M of real money for what's likely a late 2nd round pick.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

TBH I think they did weaponize it a bit on the Frost / Farabee trade, but in a bit of a different way where they bet on young guys to rebound.

Overall I do wonder how much appetite Ownership has to truly just buy assets like this case here...If I'm owner I'm not sure I'd love paying $3.75M of real money for what's likely a late 2nd round pick.

I'm just talking purely on taking a cap dump for a pick.

[topfiverecords]

Lemieux -> Crosby -> McKenna

[Paulie Walnuts]

Makes you wonder truly how much weaponizing they intended to do.

Edwards it the type of guy to pick up a dime off the ground.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Would've been a nice move for Calgary to make

Maybe trying to maximize a 1 for 1 trade with Dallas?

Lian Bichsel for Andersson 50% retained?

[trackercowe]

The Penguins can move Dumba at the deadline as well. I bet he's still worth a 3rd/4th to a team desperate for a depth dman... Probably the Oilers haha.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Conroy's inability to utilize the cap space he has created for such moves is one of my only criticisms to date. It's such an easy way to stockpile draft capital, and surprisingly it's a guy like Dubas who is the one taking advantage of these teams.

inability? My guy, the cap went up, so cap space was at it's lowest value in years.

[SuperMatt18]

TBH I'm a bit surprised this cost Dallas a 2nd, thought somebody might add him as depth for nothing (looking at a team like Chicago who have no d-men).

Does make me think Dallas had some urgency to get this done right now.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Conroy's inability to utilize the cap space he has created for such moves is one of my only criticisms to date. It's such an easy way to stockpile draft capital, and surprisingly it's a guy like Dubas who is the one taking advantage of these teams.

Do we really think a late 2nd rounder is worth enough as an asset that we pick up Dumba and jam the blueline with a player we don't want/need who will only take playing time away from a rotating youngster?

If you get a first then I'm for it. But a late second? At some point the whole 'weaponizing cap space' and its return has to be weighed against what you lose by cluttering your roster.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Would've been a nice move for Calgary to make

I bet it would have been hard for Conroy to pivot the conversation with Nill to get away from Andersson in order to put together this deal for the Flames.

The Stars likely still need to move out Lyubushkin, which is a bigger pill to swallow as he has 2 years left (as opposed to Dumba's 1).

[topfiverecords]

Was it a wild trade?

[Roko]

Yeah probably need to fix this to say “Stars” not wild haha

[traptor]

Great trade by the penguins. Wish the flames made this

[Stampede2TheCup]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I do wonder if our inability to weaponize cap space is not a Conroy limitation, but an ownership constraint. Just speculation, but given the challenges around the Markstrom deal it's possible

Ownership may have some limitations in place, but I don’t think they are stopping Conroy from doing this. Conroy has mentioned the possibility of doing it in a couple interviews. The Flames also went from being a cap team to well below.

It’s not always easy to make a deal but I do hope the Flames can do something like this to help use our extra cap space.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

inability? My guy, the cap went up, so cap space was at it's lowest value in years.

And we saw some pretty reasoned free agent contracts too. I'm actually a bit blown away at how reasonable many contracts have been.

Seems like only a few teams are up against the cap, and many rebuilding teams have cap space to spare. Calgary certainly does not have the market cornered on cap space.