Flames and Canucks in on Rossi?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

At what point do you accept they aren’t going to tank like you want and move on?
I find narrow mindedness frustrating
I believe there is rarely only one right path. There are always several and it’s about picking one and executing it well

This is what I find frustrating about the tank crew
- the constant complaining about something that is not going to change
- the stubbornness to consider alternatives

I was sure that the plan going into this last season was to tank. The lack of free agent signings, the trading of core pieces and the taking on contracts they planned to flip at the deadline like Mantha and Kuzmenko looked like the 1st step of heading into a rebuild. That's why I personally can't say with any certainty that this team is not going to tank. I'm certain they aren't going to acknowledge it as a rebuild though.

Conroy seems to have outlined a path, and he's walking it. Hopefully, he succeeds, and unlike Tre, the unexpected success this season wouldn't cost him too many future assets that would impact our contention window.

That said, I also find the constant complaining about the rebuild crew frustrating. When has it ever stopped anyone here before? Maybe we need to stop being so stubborn and consider some alternatives other than complaining about posters that are passionate about the Flames, albeit repetitive, and at the end of the day just want the Flames to succeed.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I was sure that the plan going into this last season was to tank. The lack of free agent signings, the trading of core pieces and the taking on contracts they planned to flip at the deadline like Mantha and Kuzmenko looked like the 1st step of heading into a rebuild. That's why I personally can't say with any certainty that this team is not going to tank. I'm certain they aren't going to acknowledge it as a rebuild though.

Conroy seems to have outlined a path, and he's walking it. Hopefully, he succeeds, and unlike Tre, the unexpected success this season wouldn't cost him too many future assets that would impact our contention window.

That said, I also find the constant complaining about the rebuild crew frustrating. When has it ever stopped anyone here before? Maybe we need to stop being so stubborn and consider some alternatives other than complaining about posters that are passionate about the Flames, albeit repetitive, and at the end of the day just want the Flames to succeed.

What about trading Toffoli, Lindholm, Markstrom, Mangiapane, Tanev and Hanifin for picks, prospects and fill-ins? That wasn't the 1st step in a rebuild?

[Erick Estrada]

I'm fine with trading one of this year's first round picks in a package for Rossi. I don't think there are many prospects in this draft outside the top 5 that look like they will turn out better.

[traptor]

In a futures only deal, I would assume the cost would be similar to Dougie, a 1st + x2 2nds.


We do need to clear out a forward though.


What if it was njd 1st + 2026 2nd + pospisil or frost

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'd go further and say you can take many paths as you don't have to make one singular decision for every single asset.

You can value one player's contribution to the room/culture more than others and not have a "every vet must go" scorched earth plan.

Andersson is great in the room, but they aren't looking to sign him by all reports.

Kadri they see differently.

Make good asset building moves.

If the value of a player acquired is greater than the assets spent and he fits you do it.

I get what your saying and micro value viewpoint is important but this has to be balanced with an overarching strategy and aligning everything into a competition window.


The NHL rewards the worst teams with high draft picks, where its easier to get star players. The teams that were once good are now bad. The teams that were bad then are now good. There's lifestyle to every core, and you need to make your moves based around your lfircycle.




The flames strategy has been to minimize the downswing on lifestyle, but this seems to limit the upswing as well.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by traptor

I get what your saying and micro value viewpoint is important but this has to be balanced with an overarching strategy and aligning everything into a competition window.


The NHL rewards the worst teams with high draft picks, where its easier to get star players.The teams that were once good are now bad. The teams that were bad then are now good. There's lifestyle to every core, and you need to make your moves based around your lfircycle.




The flames strategy has been to minimize the downswing on lifestyle, but this seems to limit the upswing as well.

Well, sometimes you just have to finish 26th or so. I know a team that picked 1OA 4 times in 6 years but only finished last in one of those.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm fine with trading one of this year's first round picks in a package for Rossi. I don't think there are many prospects in this draft outside the top 5 that look like they will turn out better.

I would love to be able to attach that Sharangovich contract to the deal or maybe Farabee. I’m have more hope in Farabee being able to bounce back but I don’t love those 2 wingers making over $5M each.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would love to be able to attach that Sharangovich contract to the deal or maybe Farabee. I’m have more hope in Farabee being able to bounce back but I don’t love those 2 wingers making over $5M each.

I want us to keep both those guys. I think Sharky bounces back and I think Farabee is a guy that can get you 20 goals in a 3rd line role. It's not like we are hurting for cap.

[blankall]

I'm pretty high on Rossi, and think he could be the missing piece for the Flames' rebuild, or maybe just the best young centre the Flames are likely to acquire in this rebuild. As long as Coronato, Perekh, and Wolf aren't moved, I'd look at moving almost anything else.

The dream would be to swing a deal with Andersson as the main piece for Rossi. Then move Parekh and potentially Bruz into the lineup. That'd make for a pretty exciting injection of young offence into the team.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I want us to keep both those guys. I think Sharky bounces back and I think Farabee is a guy that can get you 20 goals in a 3rd line role. It's not like we are hurting for cap.

If we are going to add a $7M Rossi to the team I would rather dump one of those higher priced left shot wingers. If they don’t add Rossi then I am fine if they keep both.

[TheIronMaiden]

I'd be really excited to have Rossi join the team. I think that the sky is the limit for that kid.

[Geeoff]

I am a little concerned that due to Rossi's height, a different coach may just use him on the wing. We already have players like that on the Flames, such as Connor Zary.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

There will probably be no better center on the market, especially one young and without trade protection, so might as well go for it. We're not in a position to be picky.

This team isn't tanking and going into next season with the 6th worst offense doesn't sound like fun.

Settling for the wrong player is not how you build a winner.

Patience, people.

[Toast_Man]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I want us to keep both those guys. I think Sharky bounces back and I think Farabee is a guy that can get you 20 goals in a 3rd line role. It's not like we are hurting for cap.

I'm of the same mind. The Flames are no rush to ship either guy out and I hope they have bounce back seasons.

[Jiggy]

I like Rossi as a player, but instead of sending out assets I'd rather give Zary a full year at center to see what he can do.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

At what point do you accept they aren’t going to tank like you want and move on?
I find narrow mindedness frustrating
I believe there is rarely only one right path. There are always several and it’s about picking one and executing it well

This is what I find frustrating about the tank crew
- the constant complaining about something that is not going to change
- the stubbornness to consider alternatives

I actually see adding a 5'9" centre after a career year as a tanking move. Especially if we pay a good price for him. Age is right for him to be contributing as a winger in 4-5yrs in the middle 6 when our higher picks come through.

[dustygoon]

I'd like Rossi, but i keep coming back to how puny he is. That seems like a lot for a center that's 5' 9" listed. Point is thought to be a smallish center and he's 5' 10". I can't find anyone that is a top 6 center at that height. Not insurmountable, but i don't see a lot of evidence that he plays big for his size which i think you need when it comes to playoffs.

Anyone else have that concern?

[Blaster86]

It does sound like the Canucks are going to pull the trigger on Rossi possibly as early as the day after the Cup is handed out.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I'd like Rossi, but i keep coming back to how puny he is. That seems like a lot for a center that's 5' 9" listed. Point is thought to be a smallish center and he's 5' 10". I can't find anyone that is a top 6 center at that height. Not insurmountable, but i don't see a lot of evidence that he plays big for his size which i think you need when it comes to playoffs.

Anyone else have that concern?

I hear ya.

Put him on a line with Klapka? Problem solved! Klapka on one side for size and Sharangovich on the other side to do the scoring... That leaves the question of what to do with Frost. I'd love to see what Rossi could do in Calgary but I think we need someone a little better than Rossi to disrupt the center position.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

It does sound like the Canucks are going to pull the trigger on Rossi possibly as early as the day after the Cup is handed out.

Is Pete staying after you get Rossi?