[PGT] Flames 3 Bruins 4

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Down 2 goals going into the 3rd and they get a point on the road, can’t complain about their compete. I’m prepared to offer Wolf an 8x8 just to lock him up for as long as possible because he’s going to be a stud. (Joking, but seriously, do what it takes to keep him long term)

If you want to lock him up long term, that's what it likely takes.

But no reason to do that, wait until he's a RFA and sign him to 8 years then if he proves out. You'll get an extra cheap year and another year of control out of him.

[zukes]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I weirdly really like Barrie.

Really? He had so many glaring defensive mistakes! He is a box of chocolates. Your truly don't know what is going to happen next. Somehow better than Bean though.

[Nelson]

Looking at the 5 on 5 on-ice numbers for Flames’ defencemen at NaturalStatTrick, I think the Flames’ coaches’ preference for Barrie over Bean is justifiable. Bean has played 104 minutes to Barrie’s 90. Bean and Barrie have the highest percentages of o-zone starts on the team. While Bean has a good actual goal’s ratio due to a ~9.5% team shooting percentage and a ~95% team save percentage, Barrie has a much higher expected goals for percentage, 15% higher. So, Barrie seems to be doing more with the high ground that both are getting.

[OldSam]

Good comeback. Was hoping for the extra point, but no worry. Really glad to see the kids continue to do well.

Just noticed this brutal schedule. 6 games in 10 days - home, Montreal, Boston, Buffalo, home, and Vancouver (B2B). Significant travel. Who made that schedule?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by drewtastic

I would like to as well. But his defensive zone play is suspect, at best…

I get why they signed him (as a vet and for offensive upside), but I hope that they eventually use his bottom pairing spot to audition the kids from the AHL, namely: Poirier/Grushnikov/Brzustewicz. All three have shown well so far, IMO.

I hope that he pumps some more goals into the net and we can sell him with Mantha and Kuzemenko at the TDL

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by OldSam

Good comeback. Was hoping for the extra point, but no worry. Really glad to see the kids continue to do well.

Just noticed this brutal schedule. 6 games in 10 days - home, Montreal, Boston, Buffalo, home, and Vancouver (B2B). Significant travel. Who made that schedule?

The NHL Oilers

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It’s so funny. This is probably since 2004 the most I’ve cared about the Flames (or maybe “interested in” is the right framing) but also the least I’ve cared. I know that might not make sense, but it’s just, do something different. Either be the best or the worst. The inbetween will never lead anywhere and is insufferable.

The Flames are going to finish 10th aren’t they? And yet I’m interested in all the prospects and how they’re developing. I like Backlund, is he part of the solution?

I like Coronato- is he part of the solution? Yes. So I’m interested in how people like him do… but the rest? Just… for the love of god, let us have a chance at something. We never will by mediocrity.

So no wonder the PGT doesn’t get created.

I am definitely the most invested in this team I've been since they Traded Monahan, Tkachuk and walked Gaudreau.

That said, the Flames team isn't really young and plucky. They're the 12th oldest in the NHL, 28.14.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/leagu...tats/2024-2025

[CroFlames]

Tanking is hard. And clearly not working at the moment lol.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I am definitely the most invested in this team I've been since they Traded Monahan, Tkachuk and walked Gaudreau.

That said, the Flames team isn't really young and plucky. They're the 12th oldest in the NHL, 28.14.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/leagu...tats/2024-2025

That's because you have remnants of the old guard like Backlund, Andersson and Coleman, and Kadri/Huberdeau/Weegar from the attempted maintenance of the window. And you have fill-ins like Barrie/Rooney/Kirkland/Kuzmenko.
But the group who're intended to be important parts going forward is young. Wolf, Zary, Coronato, Pospisil, Bahl, Honzek.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That's because you have remnants of the old guard like Backlund, Andersson and Coleman, and Kadri/Huberdeau/Weegar from the attempted maintenance of the window. And you have fill-ins like Barrie/Rooney/Kirkland/Kuzmenko.
But the group who're intended to be important parts going forward is young. Wolf, Zary, Coronato, Pospisil, Bahl, Honzek.

Correct, I wouldn't worry to much about the age.

But it's why Calgary is not as bad as the worse teams and may not finish bottom 10.

And while success can be a good thing, it's really putting a lid on the rebuild if our best first round pick(s) are late firsts.

[Dan403]

Great Effort and one Draft Point.

Win/Win.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Correct, I wouldn't worry to much about the age.

But it's why Calgary is not as bad as the worse teams and may not finish bottom 10.

And while success can be a good thing, it's really putting a lid on the rebuild if our best first round pick(s) are late firsts.

You can't really tell guys like Wolf to be bad at their job. Calgary is also near the bottom of the league in terms of cap hit, and a large part of their cap hit is Huberdeau who is horrible. I don't think the issue is that the Flames have more contributing vets than other teams. Every team, even the very bottom ones, have forward vets on the level of Coleman, Backlund, and Kadri. Perhaps Weegar and Andersson are a better top two d-men than most rebuilding teams, but the defence, as a whole, certainly isn't any thing special.

The team is just trying hard and not giving up.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by blankall

You can't really tell guys like Wolf to be bad at their job. Calgary is also near the bottom of the league in terms of cap hit, and a large part of their cap hit is Huberdeau who is horrible. I don't think the issue is that the Flames have more contributing vets than other teams. Every team, even the very bottom ones, have forward vets on the level of Coleman, Backlund, and Kadri. Perhaps Weegar and Andersson are a better top two d-men than most rebuilding teams, but the defence, as a whole, certainly isn't any thing special.

The team is just trying hard and not giving up.

I think the core of Kadri, Backlund, Weegar, Andersson and Colemen is quite a bit better than what teams like Chicago, Anaheim and SJ run out there.

I expect other teams try as well.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by blankall

You can't really tell guys like Wolf to be bad at their job. Calgary is also near the bottom of the league in terms of cap hit, and a large part of their cap hit is Huberdeau who is horrible. I don't think the issue is that the Flames have more contributing vets than other teams. Every team, even the very bottom ones, have forward vets on the level of Coleman, Backlund, and Kadri. Perhaps Weegar and Andersson are a better top two d-men than most rebuilding teams, but the defence, as a whole, certainly isn't any thing special.

The team is just trying hard and not giving up.

It may also be that...

NSFW!

Huska is coaching them well?

[diss - cover your ears/eyes!]

[blankall]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think the core of Kadri, Backlund, Weegar, Andersson and Colemen is quite a bit better than what teams like Chicago, Anaheim and SJ run out there.

I expect other teams try as well.

Coleman and Backlund are great depth pieces but far from a first line. Kadri is a great #2 center but also not a first liner.

The Flames are missing a top line and a second pairing defence. The lineup is not good, add I suspect more vets will be sold.

With a worse performance from Wolf and not so many called back goals, the Flames arev likely a bottom team. I do think the flames are doing a great job of not collapsing when down by goals. Better than the vast majority of bottom feeding teams would.

[Locke]

They showed some intestinal fortitude against a good, but struggling team.

Can't ask for much more than that. Down 3-1 in Boston it would have been easy to pack it in, give up and move along and they didn't. They fought their way back into the light and snagged a point.

Thats a big success in my books.

Plus...damn is Wolf fast going side-to-side. I think he lost an edge on that first one but other than that? Pretty impressed.

And the kids? They're hungry. I like it.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by blankall

Coleman and Backlund are great depth pieces but far from a first line. Kadri is a great #2 center but also not a first liner.

The Flames are missing a top line and a second pairing defence. The lineup is not good, add I suspect more vets will be sold.

With a worse performance from Wolf and not so many called back goals, the Flames arev likely a bottom team. I do think the flames are doing a great job of not collapsing when down by goals. Better than the vast majority of bottom feeding teams would.

I agree that this team is missing an entire top line and second pairing. I also think that any improvement in the team's final place in the standings depends upon the kids improving and doing better as opposed to the vets. So, we agree on many things.

But I have to say that many teams would be not doing as well as they currently are if other teams were allowed to score illegal goals. I just don't think that is a fair criterion to evaluate this team by.

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by My2Cents

Wouldn't be the first time you adopted a non-mainstream flame!!

Yup, won't be long before we get a Tyson "frickin'" Barrie thread

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I weirdly really like Barrie.

He should be on PP1 and the 3rd pair

[dino7c]

Wolf was good but it was far from his best game...gafs handing the puck and he slid out of the net on the first goal

Almost made the miraculous save in OT