[Signing] Wings sign Raymond (8 yrs, $8.075 mil AAV)

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Jake Guentzel has a career high 84, and put up 73 and 77 the past two seasons and he's getting $9M.

72 points for $8M is already market rate, if there is anymore upside on Raymond still then this is a huge win for Detroit.

And Jake is 29 already. Raymond's deal is spectacular deal for Detroit.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The Red Wings seem like a bunch of meh. No real star outside of Seider

This guy looks like he will be a 80-90 point guy for most of this deal, not sure if that is a star but it is a hell of a player.

[Locke]

But do we have to say his whole name every time he touches the puck as is per NHL Tradition?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Your hate on for the wings is reaching hysterical levels. Let's see how Nate Danielson looks at NHL level before saying they have no C. Also, Larkin is better than any C the flames have iced since... Nieuwendyk? I think he would have put up better numbers than lindy between Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

I don't hate the Wings. BUt they also haven't made the playoffs for 8 years and have a weird roster.

I said what I said, they haven't come out of the draft outside of Seider with that star potential player.

So yeah my opinion stands, I hope the Flames suck enough to get a high end #1C or 2 of them the next few years. I don't want to be the Red Wings with Larkin as our #1 guy, that gets you fighting for last place in the WC

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by BigThief

You're in the thread of a guy who put up 30 goals and 70 points as a 21 year old. Raymond is as much a potential star as Seider is. Any team would dream to have either player.

at some point they will need to win some games though

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by dino7c

at some point they will need to win some games though

Sure, wasn't my point but sure.

[lazypucker]

I just wish the Flames have a couple of youngsters that are worth paying 8x8 to after their ELCs. Unfortunately there isn't one right now

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

I just wish the Flames have a couple of youngsters that are worth paying 8x8 to after their ELCs. Unfortunately there isn't one right now

Spoiler!

[Junglist]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Spoiler!

He’s not a Flame.

[BigThief]

lmao.. correct.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Sure, wasn't my point but sure.

Well all these bum teams sign these "amazing deals" to young players before they pop every offseason but if they are just on the treadmill for 8 years who cares.

[BigThief]

He says as a fan of a bum team

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well all these bum teams sign these "amazing deals" to young players before they pop every offseason but if they are just on the treadmill for 8 years who cares.

They don’t know they are going to be on the treadmill for 8 years going forward.

They should just trade them then?

I am not sure what your point is. Sounds like sour grapes that Calgary hasn’t any players worth signing.

[Ped]

Well signing young players to long expensive deals is a risk. Sometimes you get a Draisatl and sometimes you get a Colin White.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Ped

Well signing young players to long expensive deals is a risk. Sometimes you get a Draisatl and sometimes you get a Colin White.

You don't often get a Colin White, and his contract was only 6 years at $4.75M. He was bought out after 3 years at a cost of $875,000 for each of 6 years, so the damage to Ottawa was not extensive.

When players with a pedigree sign 6-8 year expensive deals at a very young age when they have shown the ability to perform well, those contracts have historically aged well.

It's not a 50/50 proposition.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

They don’t know they are going to be on the treadmill for 8 years going forward.

They should just trade them then?

I am not sure what your point is. Sounds like sour grapes that Calgary hasn’t any players worth signing.

IF

That is exactly my point its time for Detroit to show some growth...it has ZERO to do with the Flames.

Between the Sens, Sabres, Habs, and Wings I have heard a lot of great draft, great signing, great trade ect. over the last few years...lets see some results. And I don't have many sour grapes over a team that can't make the playoffs and is mediocre....it is the worst spot to be in as an NHL team.

I will start giving these teams credit when we stop seeing the same 8 teams in the east every season. The contract itself is fine but lets not act like its revolutionary or something...a contending team tight on cap space will bridge a player to take a couple swings but for a perennial loser its a lot easier to hand out the big deal early.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

IF

That is exactly my point its time for Detroit to show some growth...it has ZERO to do with the Flames.

Between the Sens, Sabres, Habs, and Wings I have heard a lot of great draft, great signing, great trade ect. over the last few years...lets see some results. And I don't have many sour grapes over a team that can't make the playoffs and is mediocre....it is the worst spot to be in as an NHL team.

I will start giving these teams credit when we stop seeing the same 8 teams in the east every season. The contract itself is fine but lets not act like its revolutionary or something...a contending team tight on cap space will bridge a player to take a couple swings but for a perennial loser its a lot easier to hand out the big deal early.

No one said it was revolutionary, you just suggested that it was meaningless.

It's a step in the right direction. It's good contract.

Are teams that haven't made the playoff for a while not supposed top sign their best young players to good contracts?

When Calgary has such a player will you say, why bother, they haven't made the playoffs for a while anyway?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

No one said it was revolutionary, you just suggested that it was meaningless.

It's a step in the right direction. It's good contract.

Are teams that haven't made the playoff for a while not supposed top sign their best young players to good contracts?

When Calgary has such a player will you say, why bother, they haven't made the playoffs for a while anyway?

When did I say that?

I am pushing back a bit against

"Any team would dream to have either player." "brilliant contract"
They are good to very good players, I think teams probably dream bigger than those two being their best players while missing the playoffs every season. It will be a great deal if they can actually build a team that can compete. Lets say its a value contract about 2M under market in a couple years...WTF cares if they are still losing.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

When did I say that?

I am pushing back a bit against

"Any team would dream to have either player." "brilliant contract"
They are good to very good players, I think teams probably dream bigger than those two being their best players while missing the playoffs every season. It will be a great deal if they can actually build a team that can compete. Lets say its a value contract about 2M under market in a couple years...WTF cares if they are still losing.

I think both statements are accurate.

I'm sure Detroit dreams of getting even better players.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think both statements are accurate.

I'm sure Detroit dreams of getting even better players.

I think some of the praise is over the top...there are 4 or 5 teams in the east who seem to get constant praise but they can't even push for a playoff spot. We have teams getting in with 93 points for crying out loud.

This contract by itself is fine good even...I will save brilliant and other teams dream of this for teams whos moves translate to on ice success.

Its wild how hard some of you defend some of these things...contract is fine, I think the praise is over the top. You don't, seems like we disagree...okay fine.