Air Canada ceasing certain routes from YYC

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

That's an oddly specific figure.

I’m selling him a kidney and that’s as low as I’m willing to go.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Dentoman

Surprised to see the Frankfurt one cancelled as well. All the AC people I have talked to over the years have said this route is always busy and profitable.

Probably some backroom deal where WestJet and AC are agreeing to which geographies they'll have monopolies on. They probably just wrapped up a weekend retreat with Telus, Rogers and Bell so they could learn how it's done.

[Bigtime]

Pretty brutal news, especially the FRA service. However, Eurowings (a subsidiary of Lufthansa) will be operating FRA 6x week over the winter, they have been flying to YYC this summer as well.

[Mr.Coffee]

Nm

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Pretty brutal news, especially the FRA service. However, Eurowings (a subsidiary of Lufthansa) will be operating FRA 6x week over the winter, they have been flying to YYC this summer as well.

An interesting unintended consequence of this could be foreign carriers taking over these opportunities and capitalizing before Westjet gets a chance. Hopefully the good foreign carriers.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Dentoman

Surprised to see the Frankfurt one cancelled as well. All the AC people I have talked to over the years have said this route is always busy and profitable.

Luft is just taking over the route . Before it was a duel route between the 2. You can still book and get Aeroplan pts on the route even apparently . Its a weird paperwork only change it seems

Unless someone understand better and I’m confused

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

for the extreme vast majority of people, flying is not in any way an essential service.



people should just not travel as much as they do. It should be expensive and time consuming.

You could say the same for the NHL... It's not essential.

[Johnny199r]

Calgary still has fantastic direct flight destinations vs similar sized cities in Canada, even if Westjet is approaching monopoly status there.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

for the extreme vast majority of people, flying is not in any way an essential service.

people should just not travel as much as they do. It should be expensive and time consuming.

Can you give me some more pointers about how to live my life? I'm so curious.

The thread is about Air Canada cancelling routes ex-YYC. If you want to make normative statements about what you think is or isn't essential in your utopia, maybe start a new thread.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Can you give me some more pointers about how to live my life? I'm so curious.

The thread is about Air Canada cancelling routes ex-YYC. If you want to make normative statements about what you think is or isn't essential in your utopia, maybe start a new thread.

Are you seriously getting this worked up over someone saying destination vacations where flying is required aren’t essential?

I would understand debating whether people should or shouldn’t fly as much as they do but I think you’d have a hard time arguing that something a large portion of the population doesn’t get to do is essential.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

An interesting unintended consequence of this could be foreign carriers taking over these opportunities and capitalizing before Westjet gets a chance. Hopefully the good foreign carriers.

Hopefully. I think Westjet's directs all over Europe are awesome. But it would be nice to have service by foreign carriers to their hubs to keep competition at a reasonable level.

[para transit fellow]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Can you give me some more pointers about how to live my life? I'm so curious.

Wear sunscreen.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Are you seriously getting this worked up over someone saying destination vacations where flying is required aren’t essential?

I would understand debating whether people should or shouldn’t fly as much as they do but I think you’d have a hard time arguing that something a large portion of the population doesn’t get to do is essential.

Pardon me, can you please point to where anyone in this thread has discussed destination vacations?

Do you think people in Calgary who want to go to Ottawa, Halifax, Los Angeles, Honolulu, Cancun or Frankfurt won't go there anymore? Quite a few of whom are connecting onward elsewhere? I guess they should just drive there.

This is sad for people in any of those cities and also Calgary because the routes are no longer competitive, leading to higher fares. Which I admit GordonBlue would likely be happy about.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Can you give me some more pointers about how to live my life?

Take care of your feet.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Pardon me, can you please point to where anyone in this thread has discussed destination vacations?

No problem:

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

for the extreme vast majority of people, flying is not in any way an essential service.

And also:

Originally Posted by butterfly

Do you think people in Calgary who want to go to Ottawa, Halifax, Los Angeles, Honolulu, Cancun or Frankfurt won't go there anymore? Quite a few of whom are connecting onward elsewhere? I guess they should just drive there.

Just because someone wants to go somewhere doesn’t make it essential. These cancellations won’t prevent people from going there if they want to because there are other airlines that will still fly to those destinations.

I’m not saying that people shouldn’t be able to go these places if they would like to, but calling those types of trips essential is a bit much.

This is sad for people in any of those cities and also Calgary because the routes are no longer competitive, leading to higher fares. Which I admit GordonBlue would likely be happy about.

I didn’t say that flights being cancelled was a good thing or that people shouldn’t be upset about it if it affects them. Try to calm down a little.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Pardon me, can you please point to where anyone in this thread has discussed destination vacations?

Do you think people in Calgary who want to go to Ottawa, Halifax, Los Angeles, Honolulu, Cancun or Frankfurt won't go there anymore? Quite a few of whom are connecting onward elsewhere? I guess they should just drive there.

This is sad for people in any of those cities and also Calgary because the routes are no longer competitive, leading to higher fares. Which I admit GordonBlue would likely be happy about.

None of that points to why air travel is "essential."

Given the amount of pollution air travel produces and the amount of resources required to make happen, it should be expensive and should not be expected to be the most convenient form of travel, no? Just a way to get across large distances when absolutely necessary, or if you can afford to do it out of pure luxury?

COVID showed us the amount of business travel that occurs is completely unnecessary and could be reduced substantially, and I don't think there's anything wrong with making vacations where you have to fly more of a "treat."

I can fly to Vancouver cheaper than I can drive to Vancouver and in less than 1/4 the time. That seems pretty silly if you think about it, so it's no wonder airlines are struggling.

[Blankcanvas]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Luft is just taking over the route . Before it was a duel route between the 2. You can still book and get Aeroplan pts on the route even apparently . Its a weird paperwork only change it seems

Unless someone understand better and I’m confused

Pretty sure it's going to be the 'Eurowings' flight only. My girlfriend actually flew back to Calgary today from Frankfurt on this flight. It's a lost cost carrier owned by Lufthansa and is noticeably 'less'. Better than Flair etc. but very limited food, no alcohol included and aiming for the 'tourist' market. AC and Eurowings have both been flying this route for a while and the Eurowings pricing was usually less than the AC option.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Just because someone wants to go somewhere doesn’t make it essential. These cancellations won’t prevent people from going there if they want to because there are other airlines that will still fly to those destinations.

I’m not saying that people shouldn’t be able to go these places if they would like to, but calling those types of trips essential is a bit much.

I didn’t say that flights being cancelled was a good thing or that people shouldn’t be upset about it if it affects them. Try to calm down a little.

I'll try to calm down; thanks for your advice.

Having people visit from places like Calgary is fairly essential for the tens of thousands of people who live in Honolulu and Cancun and depend on tourism for their livelihood.

I'm not sure how your life will improve if an airline has more money in their account than if a Calgarian resident who travels can keep it in their purse or wallet. It makes zero impact on my life.

They're still going to go there, whether or not you approve of their lifestyle. The only difference is a transfer of wealth to airlines who serve the route, or previously unnecessary connections due to the traveler's cost sensitivity.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

None of that points to why air travel is "essential."

Given the amount of pollution air travel produces and the amount of resources required to make happen, it should be expensive and should not be expected to be the most convenient form of travel, no? Just a way to get across large distances when absolutely necessary, or if you can afford to do it out of pure luxury?

COVID showed us the amount of business travel that occurs is completely unnecessary and could be reduced substantially, and I don't think there's anything wrong with making vacations where you have to fly more of a "treat."

I can fly to Vancouver cheaper than I can drive to Vancouver and in less than 1/4 the time. That seems pretty silly if you think about it, so it's no wonder airlines are struggling.

If it isn't essential, then the government wouldn't be subsidizing passenger air service in smaller, more remote cities. I'd like to think similar programs exist in Canada. It's akin to using the same stamp to send a letter next door or to a remote exclave like the Northwest Angle of Minnesota.

Air travel produces vastly varying amounts of pollution based on the aircraft type and the load factor. The destinations mentioned by the OP are all medium or long haul destinations from Calgary, making them far preferable for air travel compared to ground travel for a single traveler with respect to pollution.

You can fly to Vancouver for less money because it's more efficient to share transportation with 200 other people who want to go to the same place at the same time.

[fotze2]

Who cares. Ya it’s not essential for most, but who gives a crap. Air travel is also not the colour blue, it’s also not a walrus, it’s certainly not a 1960’s movie. All those things matter as much as it’s essentialness.

Let’s talk about the spice industry and how spices aren’t essential.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I'll try to calm down; thanks for your advice.

Anytime. Hope you’re doing ok.

Having people visit from places like Calgary is fairly essential for the tens of thousands of people who live in Honolulu and Cancun and depend on tourism for their livelihood.

I got news for you, the airlines aren’t providing flights out of benevolence.

I'm not sure how your life will improve if an airline has more money in their account than if a Calgarian resident who travels can keep it in their purse or wallet. It makes zero impact on my life.

More news for you, the airlines aren’t trying to sell their flights for as little as possible as is. They’re trying to maximize their profits, not minimize them.

They're still going to go there, whether or not you approve of their lifestyle. The only difference is a transfer of wealth to airlines who serve the route, or previously unnecessary connections due to the traveler's cost sensitivity.

Who said anything about not approving of people’s lifestyles? You seem to be just looking to argue and are resorting to putting words in my mouth. There’s probably more than a couple of posters having a chuckle over you trying to frame me as someone who would advocate for transferring more wealth to corporations. Thanks for coming out though.