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traptor · 08-07-2023, 02:28 PM

I think this is accurate for lindy. He's a 1c forsure, but not in the top half.

A legit contender could have lindholm as their 1c. But you would need a truly elite d man, winger(s) and goalie.

Winsor_Pilates · 08-07-2023, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by driveway

The teams without a top-20 C, and their top centres by ice-time and points.

Anaheim - Trevor Zegras 18:50 / 65p
Arizona - Nick Shmaltz 19:43 / 58p
Boston - David Krejci 17:12 / Pavel Zacha 57p

Chicago - Tyler Johnson 16:34 / Andreas Athanasiou 40p

Columbus - Boone Jenner 20:12 / 45p

Minnesota - Joel Eriksson Ek 19:00 / 61p

Montreal - Nick Suziki 21:06 / 66p

Nashville - Matt Duchene 18:19 / 56p
NY Islanders - Bo Horvat 20:39 / Brock Nelson 75p

Philadelphia - Scott Laughton 18:17 / Morgan Frost 46p

San Jose - Tomas Hertl 19:17 / Logan Couture 67p

Seattle - Alex Wennberg 18:42 / Matty Beniers 57p

St. Louis - Robert Thomas 19:21 / Jordan Kyrou 73p
Washington - Evgeny Kuznetsov 18:04 / Dylan Strome 65p
Winnipeg - Mark Scheifele 20:29 / 68p

The only name on that list I'd consider swapping Lindholm for is Zegras.

You wouldn't trade him for Matty Beniers!?

PaperBagger'14 · 08-07-2023, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by flamesgod

He was #1C for a cup contender two seasons ago.

So he elevated his play in the playoffs and got his name on the cup?

flamesgod · 08-07-2023, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

So he elevated his play in the playoffs and got his name on the cup?

Lol, dumb argument. McDrai don't have their names on a cup. Doesn't mean you can't be on a contender, or be a 1C. There are many different teams in any given year that are contenders. Only 1 gets the cup.

Flamesfan05 · 08-07-2023, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You wouldn't trade him for Matty Beniers!?

I would trade Lindholm for Zegra, Suzuki, Berniers or Thomas without thinking twice
Maybe Hertl as well

StrykerSteve · 08-07-2023, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jg13

They were 13 and 14 not sure which was higher.

Lindholm was 13, Kadri 14.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-current...rs/c-335232368

PaperBagger'14 · 08-07-2023, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by flamesgod

Lol, dumb argument. McDrai don't have their names on a cup. Doesn't mean you can't be on a contender, or be a 1C. There are many different teams in any given year that are contenders. Only 1 gets the cup.

Sure, and Jake Allen was a starting goalie last year on a team 1 year removed from a SCF appearance. Lindholm was also the passenger on his line when he was "a #1 center on a cup contender". Lol.

topfiverecords · 08-07-2023, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by driveway

The teams without a top-20 C, and their top centres by ice-time and points.

Anaheim - Trevor Zegras 18:50 / 65p
Arizona - Nick Shmaltz 19:43 / 58p
Boston - David Krejci 17:12 / Pavel Zacha 57p

Chicago - Tyler Johnson 16:34 / Andreas Athanasiou 40p

Columbus - Boone Jenner 20:12 / 45p

Minnesota - Joel Eriksson Ek 19:00 / 61p

Montreal - Nick Suziki 21:06 / 66p

Nashville - Matt Duchene 18:19 / 56p
NY Islanders - Bo Horvat 20:39 / Brock Nelson 75p

Philadelphia - Scott Laughton 18:17 / Morgan Frost 46p

San Jose - Tomas Hertl 19:17 / Logan Couture 67p

Seattle - Alex Wennberg 18:42 / Matty Beniers 57p

St. Louis - Robert Thomas 19:21 / Jordan Kyrou 73p
Washington - Evgeny Kuznetsov 18:04 / Dylan Strome 65p
Winnipeg - Mark Scheifele 20:29 / 68p

The only name on that list I'd consider swapping Lindholm for is Zegras.

That’s a lot of teams that could use a Lindholm for 9 seasons.

Aarongavey · 08-07-2023, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Lindholm was 13, Kadri 14.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-current...rs/c-335232368

I wonder what happened to Ryan O’Reilly from that list and I wonder if he will bounce back to be a top 20 guy. He is probably hitting his stride at 32 years old.

ForeverFlameFan · 08-07-2023, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by driveway

The teams without a top-20 C, and their top centres by ice-time and points.

Anaheim - Trevor Zegras 18:50 / 65p
Arizona - Nick Shmaltz 19:43 / 58p
Boston - David Krejci 17:12 / Pavel Zacha 57p

Chicago - Tyler Johnson 16:34 / Andreas Athanasiou 40p

Columbus - Boone Jenner 20:12 / 45p

Minnesota - Joel Eriksson Ek 19:00 / 61p

Montreal - Nick Suziki 21:06 / 66p

Nashville - Matt Duchene 18:19 / 56p
NY Islanders - Bo Horvat 20:39 / Brock Nelson 75p

Philadelphia - Scott Laughton 18:17 / Morgan Frost 46p

San Jose - Tomas Hertl 19:17 / Logan Couture 67p

Seattle - Alex Wennberg 18:42 / Matty Beniers 57p

St. Louis - Robert Thomas 19:21 / Jordan Kyrou 73p
Washington - Evgeny Kuznetsov 18:04 / Dylan Strome 65p
Winnipeg - Mark Scheifele 20:29 / 68p

The only name on that list I'd consider swapping Lindholm for is Zegras.

what about Lindholm and one of our #10-15 ranked prospect for Wenneberg and Wright?

Imo you’ve got to deal Lindholm to get a prime prospect that has the potential to be a franchise player. Hard to find but they’re out there.

flamesgod · 08-07-2023, 05:43 PM

[QUOTE=PaperBagger'14;8792065]Sure, and Jake Allen was a starting goalie last year on a team 1 year removed from a SCF appearance. Lindholm was also the passenger on his line when he was "a #1 center on a cup contender". Lol.[/QUOT

Does a lot of the dirty work in the D zone. Scoring 42 goals is quite the passenger.

Winsor_Pilates · 08-07-2023, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

20th ranked C (after a down year) in a 32-team league, but according to a lot of people here, not a real #1C. I still have no clue who's supposed to take the reins if we actually move him. Maybe Jeff Shantz or Jason Wiemer are available?

Edit: 3 teams are represented twice on the list (EDM, PIT, NJD), which makes it a 17-team list... so 15 teams in this league don't have a C as good (or, at least, ranked as high) as our #1C.

Is there "a lot" of people here who think that? I suspect maybe 5-10 posters on all of CP. Maybe they're just loud.

But that shouldn't be confused with people questioning if the Flames should sign him for 8 more years, given his age, the other forward contracts we're already locked into and what this team needs to become a true contender.

It is possible he's both a real #1 centre and also not a good long term signing for this team.
I wouldn't take Malkin for 8 years and over $8M either.

FanIn80 · 08-07-2023, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Lindholm was also the passenger on his line when he was "a #1 center on a cup contender". Lol.

I'm assuming you're talking about the season before last. 40 goals, second place to Bergeron in Selke voting. Is Bergeron also a passenger on his line with Marchand and Pastrnak?

PaperBagger'14 · 08-07-2023, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by flamesgod

Does a lot of the dirty work in the D zone. Scoring 42 goals is quite the passenger.

Spends a lot of time in the D zone to do said dirty work, also put up 22 goals last year without the guys carrying him. Passenger or elite sniper? Who's to know?

I mean if I licked windows on a regular basis I would consider Lindholm a #1 C on a contender. Unfortunately he isn't a #1 C on a contender and the flames aren't a contender this year. That's why he is our #1 C.

PaperBagger'14 · 08-07-2023, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

I'm assuming you're talking about the season before last. 40 goals, second place to Bergeron in Selke voting. Is Bergeron also a passenger on his line with Marchand and Pastrnak?

Bergeron ended up with 1808 ballots worth of Selke votes, Lindholm ended up with less than half of that (878). That was lindholms best year.

How did Lindholm do this year? Well spoiler alert he actually finished lower than Backlund in voting lol. He was also beaten out by the corpses on skates of Staal and Kopitar.

flamesgod · 08-07-2023, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Bergeron ended up with 1808 ballots worth of Selke votes, Lindholm ended up with less than half of that (878). That was lindholms best year.

How did Lindholm do this year? Well spoiler alert he actually finished lower than Backlund in voting lol. He was also beaten out by the corpses on skates of Staal and Kopitar.

This year was a statistical write off for almost everyone on the team. Any paperbag licking clown can see that.

Hackey · 08-07-2023, 10:31 PM

20th seems pretty accurate. Good player but far from a dominant player. Solid support guy but probably isn't leading a team to a Cup as the 1st or 2nd option.

Icantwhisper · 08-08-2023, 09:15 AM

The problem is that there are two different levels of #1 centre, is Lindholm a guy that can be a first line centre, yes.
Is he on the level of the 4-5 guys that are superstars of the position, no.
Yes it would be great to have a superstar centre but they aren't available, need a superstar winger to accompany him, pretty much any team that has success has a superstar on their top line.

Macindoc · 08-09-2023, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hackey

20th seems pretty accurate. Good player but far from a dominant player. Solid support guy but probably isn't leading a team to a Cup as the 1st or 2nd option.

He’d be at least a 2C on any team in the league (with the exception of Edmonton, Pittsburgh, and NJ), including every Cup contender.

Flamesfan05 · 08-09-2023, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Macindoc

He’d be at least a 2C on any team in the league (with the exception of Edmonton, Pittsburgh, and NJ), including every Cup contender.

I think that’s what everyone is saying, and 1C on many teams