The Calgary Flames "goalie killers" Jordan Sigalet (and now) Jason LaBarbera

[Bingo]

Not as great as I thought ... .005

.907 to .902

Markstrom may be broken and not returning to forum. I'm just not as ready to blame the goalie coaches for an adult professional that has lost his confidence.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

For sure ... but then this year every goaltender is down (can't remember the differential) but .907 last year is something like .895 this year.

Not quite that drastic.

Average save percentage is .900 this year, it was .902 last year. (According to hockey reference, so all situations).

Start of the year was more of a decline but it's started to normalize a bit. Since the All Star break the Flames went the other way though - with a .847

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Southside403

Trent you need a companion take some time off the board relax reset

Lol. Says the loser posting at 230am on a saturday.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Southside

Don't confuse me with a cousin

Lol I think my jokes was missed and it looks like your last few posts have graduated you from ‘backup goalie’ but I thought it was hilarious that the first two posts in this goalie killer thread came from ‘#1 goaltender’ Trent and ‘backup goalie’ Southside lol

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not as great as I thought ... .005

.907 to .902

Markstrom may be broken and not returning to forum. I'm just not as ready to blame the goalie coaches for an adult professional that has lost his confidence.

I think it's fair to say that the body of work as a whole for Sigalet and his crew has been worthy of criticism and certainly an area the organization should look at to improve. If a new GM comes in I would not be surprised if the entire department was overhauled.

[McG]

The role of coaches is to make your players better, individually and collectively.

There are coaches that can change their styles to suit the players that they have, and there are coaches that require players to adjust to their style.

One thing that I see is not everyone is on the same page.

On topic, why have big goalies lose their size advantage by cowering under the crossbar?

I do think that this is it for Treliving and then Sutter and hockey ops.

[badradio]

Goaltending is tough gig and you really need a support system and someone who understands sports psychology to work with the goaltenders. I was always a fan of David Marcoux… he seemed to understand the mental aspect and out of the box training techniques…

I never understood average goalies like Labarbra coaching elite goalies… I would want an elite goalie coaching my goalies.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not as great as I thought ... .005

.907 to .902

Markstrom may be broken and not returning to forum. I'm just not as ready to blame the goalie coaches for an adult professional that has lost his confidence.

That’s a lot of goalies that “have lost their confidence” on Sigalet’s watch.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Southside403

Trent you need a companion take some time off the board relax reset

I gave her the lowdown on my post game tirade and she was sympathetic actually

Although it could have just been lip service so she could get back to watching her Harry Potter movies

I probably do need time away, for sanity's sake

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Markstrom may be broken and not returning to forum. I'm just not as ready to blame the goalie coaches for an adult professional that has lost his confidence.

When will you have enough information? This is the 7th year Sigalet's been in the organization

[Manhattanboy]

What’s with the Bono avatar?

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by badradio

Goaltending is tough gig and you really need a support system and someone who understands sports psychology to work with the goaltenders. I was always a fan of David Marcoux… he seemed to understand the mental aspect and out of the box training techniques…

I never understood average goalies like Labarbra coaching elite goalies… I would want an elite goalie coaching my goalies.

Sounds like we should get Gretzky to take over Sutter's job.

Sorry for the snark.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

That’s a lot of goalies that “have lost their confidence” on Sigalet’s watch.

This. I said it in another thread there’s multiple goalies that have come in and gotten worse or lost their confidence playing in the Flames system never to get it back. Elliot, Talbot, Markstrom, Vladar all have shown promise at times then had epic collapses. The coaches may show good fundamentals but they simply are 0 help on the mental side of the game. If every goalie comes in here and we just write it off that they were all head cases we are missing the bigger picture. It’s too often to be a coincidence any longer.

[Inglewood Jack]

Defending Sigalet on the basis of insufficient information has officially reached teapot in space status. If we’re convinced that he’s not at least partially responsible for the long running goalie instability, then the only other option is that management absolutely blows at acquiring goaltending talent to begin with, more so than with any other position.

With the number of goalies that have made the rounds in the post-Kipper era, you’d expect that pure chance or dumb luck would have them stumble on someone reliable. They’re somehow actively defying those odds.

[dammage79]

Sigalet has survived almost ten goalies. All of them oustered and completely depleted on the way out.

At some point the change has to come if only because he's the last one standing.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

There have been different coaches, defenses and goalies

That the same effect has overlapped all them must point to a deeper issue that ties them all together

Maybe it's not that what the goalie coaches are doing is wrong necessarily, but maybe they aren't doing enough compared to their peers in other organizations

Whether that's drills, discussions or video

I just don't see a lot of readjustment or change of approach by the goalies. It all seems to hinge on confidence. But technique should factor into that too, and that's the coaches domain

Most of these goalies were good/proven at some point .. so while there is an element of individual struggles, I think there is something to us not having the right goalie coaching fit as well

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not as great as I thought ... .005

.907 to .902

Markstrom may be broken and not returning to forum. I'm just not as ready to blame the goalie coaches for an adult professional that has lost his confidence.

It's not just Markstrom though. Every single goalie that comes to Calgary ends up getting worse the longer they are here.

[Kipper_3434]

All our goalies seem to play deeper in the net, go down earlier, and play a predominantly closed butterfly style. It has to be a factor of coaching at some point.

[Number 39]

In the case of Markstom it seems like more of an issue for a sports psychologist rather than a goaltending coach from where I sit. Perhaps thats a role that should be more closely examined with this team’s history.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

All our goalies seem to play deeper in the net, go down earlier, and play a predominantly closed butterfly style. It has to be a factor of coaching at some point.

Most, if not all, goalies in the league play that way, especially big ones.

Butterlfy has been the NHL style for years and years, since Allaire made Roy and Giguerre great. It's taught by Mitch Korn, Ian Clark and Frantz Jean.