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SebC · 07-17-2022, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Geeoff

Could be a good sign that Tkachuk hasn't immediately signed his QO

No point signing the QO until right before the deadline. You never know what offer you might get!

Aarongavey · 07-17-2022, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

None of this goes against my point. It’s riskier. He can cash in now, or later… maybe/probably whatever. But it’s not “the smart move” to sign one year.

It certainly is not the smart move to sign a longterm deal that could leave 10 million plus on the table. Regardless of Gaudreau’s strange negotiating strategy, not signing last summer netted him an extra 13-16 million dollars in all likelihood.

Scroopy Noopers · 07-17-2022, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

It certainly is not the smart move to sign a longterm deal that could leave 10 million plus on the table. Regardless of Gaudreau’s strange negotiating strategy, not signing last summer netted him an extra 13-16 million dollars in all likelihood.

Yeah… but had he replicated the season prior then it wouldn’t have. This is feeling impossible to further explain without sounding incredibly condescending.

Aarongavey · 07-17-2022, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Yeah… but had he replicated the season prior then it wouldn’t have. This is feeling impossible to further explain without sounding incredibly condescending.

Well if Gaudreau had replicated the season before and scored a measly 72 points he probably would have signed for a similar number to what he could have signed at the summer before. He certainly would still be a 6.5-7 million dollar player as a 70 point forward. The upside to having a great season is much more than the downside to having an average season.

There is no rational reason, outside a fear of a career ending injury, of Managiapane to think he will have a worse season this year. He almost never played with Gaudreau, Lindholm or Tkachuk last year and he had limited PP time. He will have more PP time this year and should see more even strength time with Calgary’s top players. If I was him I would have a number that I would sign a longterm deal at (7 years at 6 million a year would be my number if I was him). If the Flames hit it and he wants to stay in Calgary, sign. If not, bet on myself that I can get at least that number a year later.

dissentowner · 07-17-2022, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kermitology

It means there is a chance, but I still see him accepting his QO and getting out of town ASAP. This team is fooling themselves if they think they’re ready to compete.

Sutter says he has unfinished business, but the team composition isn’t strong enough to win the Stanley Cup

Accepting his QO and playing it out would be one of the stupidest financial decisions he could make. He is going to sign a big contract with us or someone else this offseason. Why on Earth would he risk the payday he commands after that last season?

Mathgod · 07-17-2022, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Accepting his QO and playing it out would be one of the stupidest financial decisions he could make. He is going to sign a big contract with us or someone else this offseason. Why on Earth would he risk the payday he commands after that last season?

He wants to play in the city where his in-laws live? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

kermitology · 07-17-2022, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Accepting his QO and playing it out would be one of the stupidest financial decisions he could make. He is going to sign a big contract with us or someone else this offseason. Why on Earth would he risk the payday he commands after that last season?

NHL GMs pay a premium for “intangibles” that Tkachuk supposedly has. But make no mistake this roster is in decline.

Lanny_McDonald · 07-17-2022, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Accepting his QO and playing it out would be one of the stupidest financial decisions he could make. He is going to sign a big contract with us or someone else this offseason. Why on Earth would he risk the payday he commands after that last season?

Because right now he’s negotiating with one team. In one season he can be negotiating with 32 teams. If he plays his cards right, he could force a trade to the team he wants and negotiate that deal almost immediately.

The Cobra · 07-17-2022, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Accepting his QO and playing it out would be one of the stupidest financial decisions he could make. He is going to sign a big contract with us or someone else this offseason. Why on Earth would he risk the payday he commands after that last season?

He would only do if he fully intends to risk UFA and has no current plans to sign any long term contract prior to that.

As you said, I don’t expect him to do that.

The Cobra · 07-17-2022, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Because right now he’s negotiating with one team. In one season he can be negotiating with 32 teams. If he plays his cards right, he could force a trade to the team he wants and negotiate that deal almost immediately.

Not if he signs the QO he can’t.

No long term deal until Jan 1.

sureLoss · 07-17-2022, 03:04 PM

Phillips has also filled for arbitration.

Tkachuk has not.

https://www.nhlpa.com/news/1-22348/2...ry-arbitration

getbak · 07-17-2022, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Accepting his QO and playing it out would be one of the stupidest financial decisions he could make. He is going to sign a big contract with us or someone else this offseason. Why on Earth would he risk the payday he commands after that last season?

Yeah, if he wants out of Calgary, his best move would be to demand a trade and give Treliving a list of teams he'd be willing to sign with long-term.

There's no reason for him to stay here for one more year if he'd rather be gone now.

As has been mentioned many times, he's not likely to repeat his points total from last season, especially without Gaudreau, so his best move is to lock in the big money long-term now -- whether that's here or somewhere else.

Macman · 07-17-2022, 03:24 PM

I’d be curious to know what the offer was to Mangiapane. Do we know that?
If he was making just below 2.5, then I’d guess it’s just under 5 now.

I don’t know if I’d pay Mangiapane over 5 on a longer term deal. Yeah he scored a bunch of goals but they were all early in the season and on the road, he hit a pretty good drought there.

Reggie Dunlop · 07-17-2022, 03:24 PM

Some of these players could also settle before their arbitration hearings.

dissentowner · 07-17-2022, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Because right now he’s negotiating with one team. In one season he can be negotiating with 32 teams. If he plays his cards right, he could force a trade to the team he wants and negotiate that deal almost immediately.

Or he can sign a long term deal and ask for a trade in a year. What happens if he has a terrible year? What happens if he has an injury plagued year? What happens if Sutter decides he wants to play guys who want to be here more minutes and his numbers suffer? Do you really think he is going to risk any of that when he is coming off a 104 point season? Especially a guy as business savvy as his family is? It would be a ridiculously bad decision on his part. Sign the big ticket and then if you want out next year or later you can ask for a trade and if he gets a NMC which he almost certainly will he can control his destination.

chubeyr1 · 07-17-2022, 03:25 PM

Tkachuk and Mangiapane are two totally different contracts to sign.

Tkachuk is a multimillionaire, Mangiapane a millionaire.

I see both players regressing this year. They wont be worth what they are now at the end of next season.

That is assuming they don’t get hurt along the way. Tkachuk can probably take that risk. I don’t think Mangiapane will. Tkachuk over 20 million in earnings, Mangiapane 2 million?

I think Mangiapane takes a contract at around 5 million for 3 to 4 years. If he gets hurt or regresses he is set for life.

Tkachuk is already set for life. If he signs with the Flames right now it will be the best contract offer he gets. If he waits a year his point totals will go down. Smaller contract. If he gets hurt a lot smaller contract. He can afford to risk it. Mangiapane can not.

If I am Treliving I say look at Monahan. He got hurt. He signed with us long term and got hurt. When his contract is over whether he can still play or not he made over 44 million dollars. Now imagine if he signed a one year contract and then got hurt? Would of lost out on over 30 million dollars.

Just my opinion.

A smart player would sign the contract then request a trade if they really want to leave.

getbak · 07-17-2022, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Some of these players could also settle before their arbitration hearings.

Almost all of them will.

TheScorpion · 07-17-2022, 03:42 PM

Yeah, usually no more than one or two players actually make it all the way to arbitration.

bubbsy · 07-17-2022, 03:43 PM

Is there any potential for a offersheet for any of these guys, particularly tkachuk?

powderjunkie · 07-17-2022, 03:45 PM

Pronouns, pals. Can we try to clarify if he means MT or AM?

What is this July 22 deadline?

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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Because right now he’s negotiating with one team. In one season he can be negotiating with 32 teams. If he plays his cards right, he could force a trade to the team he wants and negotiate that deal almost immediately.

AFAIK both guys can negotiate with all 32 teams at the moment - theoretically for offer-sheets, but the players could also just be gathering a lot of intel right now, and teams may prefer trying for a trade to an offer sheet if they can agree to terms with a player.