[News] Mangiapane, Kylington, Phillips file for salary arbitration. Tkachuk does not

[sureLoss]

News Update

https://www.nhlpa.com/news/1-22348/2...ry-arbitration

The National Hockey League Players’ Association announced that 24 players have elected Salary Arbitration:

Mason Appleton (Winnipeg Jets)

Ethan Bear (Carolina Hurricanes)

Jesper Bratt (New Jersey Devils)

Lawson Crouse (Arizona Coyotes)

Morgan Geekie (Seattle Kraken)

Mathieu Joseph (Ottawa Senators)

Kaapo Kahkonen (San Jose Sharks)

Kasperi Kapanen (Pittsburgh Penguins)

Keegan Kolesar (Vegas Golden Knights)

Oliver Kylington (Calgary Flames)

Maxime Lajoie (Carolina Hurricanes)

Steven Lorentz (San Jose Sharks)

Isac Lundestrom (Anaheim Ducks)

Zack MacEwen (Philadelphia Flyers)

Niko Mikkola (St. Louis Blues)*

Andrew Mangiapane (Calgary Flames)

Matthew Phillips (Calgary Flames)

Jesse Puljujarvi (Edmonton Oilers)

Tyce Thompson (New Jersey Devils)

Yakov Trenin (Nashville Predators)

Vitek Vanecek (New Jersey Devils)

Jake Walman (Detroit Red Wings)

Kailer Yamamoto (Edmonton Oilers)

Pavel Zacha (Boston Bruins)

per puckpedia. Could be other Flames players too.

Reminder that filing for arbitration does not necessarily mean contract negotiations are going poorly.

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[Reggie Dunlop]

Mangiapane has the more compelling case for a larger payday, though Kyllington has finally begun to live up to his promise.

[Bonded]

Good or bad if Tkachuk signs?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Good or bad if Tkachuk signs?

Bad, it means he cannot be traded with a long term contract attached prior to Jan 1, 2023.

[getbak]

Not surprising. I believe Tkachuk and Phillips are the only other RFAs who are arbitration eligible.

Each would have his own reason to not file: Tkachuk to keep open the possibility of signing an offer sheet, Phillips because he isn't likely to be awarded more than a league-minimum contract anyway and would likely prefer to negotiate his own deal that pays more guaranteed money and increases his chances of a call-up.


Mangiapane and Kylington are not likely to receive offer sheets, and they're likely to be awarded significantly more than their QOs, so there's no real downside for them to file.

[Vinny01]

Tkachuk also has the $9M QO offer so that and the offer sheet make it tougher for the Flames than dealing with an arb case that would walk Chucky to RFA the same as his QO (albeit he could justify $10M+ easily)

Hope the reason Chucky won’t file is because he and the team are extremely close on a deal

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Good or bad if Tkachuk signs?

Could be a good sign that Tkachuk hasn't immediately signed his QO

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Could be a good sign that Tkachuk hasn't immediately signed his QO

Not really. If he was planning on accepting his QO, there would be no reason to file for arbitration.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Bad, it means he cannot be traded with a long term contract attached prior to Jan 1, 2023.

Should have phrased better. I meant signs for arbitration. I'm leaning towards bad, not sure though.

[Aarongavey]

Smart move by Mangiapane, that takes him straight to UFA and maximizes pressure on the organization to pay him top dollar on a long term contract. If they don’t, he can take his one year 4.8 million dollar deal and go straight to UFA.

[Nelson]

Isn’t it that if a player files for arbitration, the player gets the arbitrated amount but the team gets to pick a 1-year or 2-year term? If so, I imagine Tkachuk isn’t filing for arbitration to guarantee that he can take his 1-year, $9M qualifying offer and go to UFA ASAP.

[miraisoup]

So. Question. If Chucky doesn't file? Is there a better chance we get him long term?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Isn’t it that if a player files for arbitration, the player gets the arbitrated amount but the team gets to pick a 1-year or 2-year term? If so, I imagine Tkachuk isn’t filing for arbitration to guarantee that he can take his 1-year, $9M qualifying offer and go to UFA ASAP.

Players in their final year of RFA eligibility can only get a one year contract out of arbitration. Tkachuk and Mangiapane would be smart to go the arbitration route. Max dollars for this year and max leverage on the Flames.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Isn’t it that if a player files for arbitration, the player gets the arbitrated amount but the team gets to pick a 1-year or 2-year term? If so, I imagine Tkachuk isn’t filing for arbitration to guarantee that he can take his 1-year, $9M qualifying offer and go to UFA ASAP.

The 1 or 2 year award confuses me as well. I would like to know what parameters are required for the arbitrator to award a 2-year deal, and whether the team or player can ask the arbitrator for it.

Most awards seem to be 1-year deals.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Players in their final year of RFA eligibility can only get a one year contract out of arbitration. Tkachuk and Mangiapane would be smart to go the arbitration route. Max dollars for this year and max leverage on the Flames.

Sure… if you consider signing a short term contract in a highly physical sport “smart”. It’s absolutely more risky.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Smart move by Mangiapane, that takes him straight to UFA and maximizes pressure on the organization to pay him top dollar on a long term contract. If they don’t, he can take his one year 4.8 million dollar deal and go straight to UFA.

Actually it’s a risky move if he takes a 1 year and goes UFA. If he has a terrible year he may not get close to the kind of contract he’d get at the moment. Chucky faces the same risk, albeit lesser one because he has multiple good seasons under his belt and is viewed as more of an established star.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Sure… if you consider signing a short term contract in a highly physical sport “smart”. It’s absolutely more risky.

I am sure that Mangiapane would sign a longterm deal for anything north of 6 million a year. If the number does not get that high he could take around 5 million for this year and got to UFA. He is likely getting PP1 time this year and has been one of the better 5 on 5 producers over the past two years. Bet on himself, get 70+ points and sign where he wants next summer. He would not be the first player who has done that (sign a one year deal)

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by miraisoup

So. Question. If Chucky doesn't file? Is there a better chance we get him long term?

It means there is a chance, but I still see him accepting his QO and getting out of town ASAP. This team is fooling themselves if they think they’re ready to compete.

Sutter says he has unfinished business, but the team composition isn’t strong enough to win the Stanley Cup

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I am sure that Mangiapane would sign a longterm deal for anything north of 6 million a year. If the number does not get that high he could take around 5 million for this year and got to UFA. He is likely getting PP1 time this year and has been one of the better 5 on 5 producers over the past two years. Bet on himself, get 70+ points and sign where he wants next summer. He would not be the first player who has done that (sign a one year deal)

None of this goes against my point. It’s riskier. He can cash in now, or later… maybe/probably whatever. But it’s not “the smart move” to sign one year.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Actually it’s a risky move if he takes a 1 year and goes UFA. If he has a terrible year he may not get close to the kind of contract he’d get at the moment. Chucky faces the same risk, albeit lesser one because he has multiple good seasons under his belt and is viewed as more of an established star.

He had 41 even strength points last year (0.5 EV PPG). He had 26 even strength points in 56 games the year before (0.46 EV PPG). He should be confident that if he plays a full year he can get another 40 points at even strength, his standard 3-4 points short handed but if I was him I would expect to double my power play points and end up around 60 points minimum.